Kacey

[Ðeath.]

Well, it's clear I'm not getting unbanned and that nobody here likes me. I give up.


Good luck with the servers, guys.

Well Kacey you have nobody but yourself to blame.

Ragequitting is against the rules as well. This may result in your permanent removal from the forums as well.

I'm not ragequitting. I'm giving up trying to be unbanned because it's clearly not going to happen. If it happens, great, but it most likely won't.

No Kacey, what you are doing is ragequitting.

This is locked. I would like Cortez and Cadaver to comment on this asap.

Just quoting what Old Crow had said in the previous ban appeal. This would seem like a permanent ban for both A: the Prop-killing and B: Ragequitting as well.
(The quote is on the third page, if you wish to look back at it.
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9384.msg123625#msg123625 )

I did review the past ban appeal before, and I have played with you a couple of times, from this, I would like to say No on this as well.

[Dante]

Death it later wasn't classified as rage quitting.

[UnknownError]

As one of the admins that has played with you the most. I say No.

1 month after a supposed "permanent" ban is too short, especially since all the evidence was overwhelming. You had past issues and you said that you would improve, but you didn't.

A day after you got p-banned, I hopped on the server to admin and told some of our regulars that you've been banned for good. They responded positively saying "Finally!!" or something along those lines, meaning that you were probably continuing to prop kill when admins weren't on.

So, I would be more generous to an appeal, if you

1. Play on other CG servers, and show that you can behave well especially with those not from TTT

2. Make an appeal another 1-2 months after this one. (I don't know the specific rule about ban appeals sooo...)

Good luck in the future though.

[Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!)]

Here's the thing, you were warned a lot of times to stop propkilling by many different admins yet you continued to propkill. You were permanently banned for doing this and even when you knew that it might happen. I admire the maturity you have shown since then but that doesn't mean that permanent means two months or anything else, permanent means permanent. I'm going to leave this thread open for another day but as it stands the odds are stacked against you.

[Billy]

I'm usually a very nice guy.

I also don't dislike Kacey, because honestly, I've never personally seen him break any rules.

But seriously people, permanent should mean permanent. He was given his chances.

And he blew 'em. Regardless of if he "changed" or not.

Either unban him and change the fucking rules on permanent bans, or he stays banned. Permanently.

Make up your minds.

[Guztav.]

I think we should give him a chance, everyone can be forgiven.
If he fux up again, kick him back out...
He is sorry, if he didn't care he wouldn't come back to appeal.

[Billy]

I think we should give him a chance, everyone can be forgiven.
If he fux up again, kick him back out...
He is sorry, if he didn't care he wouldn't come back to appeal.

Not necessarily true. A lot of people appeal not because they care, but because they realized that this server is just better than others.

Let's say you got kicked out of your country club. Everyone there is an ass, the food sucks, and you have to dress like a douchebag to get in there. But it's the only good country club in the state. All of the other ones are trashy and hold less renown. Of course, you're going to want to get back in, even if it's only to seem as important as every other country club member.

This may not be the case for Kacey (no pun intended) but how many times can one be given the benefit of the doubt? He propkills again, we ban him again. He appeals again in five months saying he's for real, and this entire process repeats itself.

Why don't we just leave this as it is, to serve as a reminder for anyone else that wants to go ahead and get themselves permanently banned?

[Guztav.]

I think we should give him a chance, everyone can be forgiven.
If he fux up again, kick him back out...
He is sorry, if he didn't care he wouldn't come back to appeal.

Not necessarily true. A lot of people appeal not because they care, but because they realized that this server is just better than others.

Let's say you got kicked out of your country club. Everyone there is an ass, the food sucks, and you have to dress like a douchebag to get in there. But it's the only good country club in the state. All of the other ones are trashy and hold less renown. Of course, you're going to want to get back in, even if it's only to seem as important as every other country club member.

This may not be the case for Kacey (no pun intended) but how many times can one be given the benefit of the doubt? He propkills again, we ban him again. He appeals again in five months saying he's for real, and this entire process repeats itself.

Why don't we just leave this as it is, to serve as a reminder for anyone else that wants to go ahead and get themselves permanently banned?

I guess you're right...

[Leetgrain]

He's a repeat offender - key word here being repeat. He's done it again and again, and paid the consequences.

But still, he never learns.

He's had his straws, and he's had his chances, once you're on your last strike it doesn't matter how much you reason or beg, you're out.

This should be set down in stone now, it can't just keep changing every single time.

[Blackllama]

Either unban him and change the fucking rules on permanent bans, or he stays banned. Permanently.

What rules?

[Billy]

Either unban him and change the fucking rules on permanent bans, or he stays banned. Permanently.

What rules?

I don't even know, Blackllama. That's the problem. We have no rules on PERMANENT bans. You would imagine they're PERMANENT. But, no. Apparently not.

[Nelth]

After reading all the threads revolving around this, I am gonna post no, the permanent ban should stay permanent. I also agree to what oobla said about the month long bans. I also agree that permanent bans should STAY permanent, only being revoked if there isn't enough evidence or new evidence comes to light.

[Link236]

Either unban him and change the fucking rules on permanent bans, or he stays banned. Permanently.

What rules?

I don't even know, Blackllama. That's the problem. We have no rules on PERMANENT bans. You would imagine they're PERMANENT. But, no. Apparently not.

This exactly what needs to come of this. I was going to mention, it but forgot...

Anyway, we really need a clause in the rules regarding permanent bans. If there's leeway if the person shows change or if it's permanent with no arguements. Atleast something, becuase if we give Kacey the benefit of the doubt here, were bending the rules. And if we bend the rules for one, we have to do it for all. We can't give special exceptions (unless it was a false ban) for one person. That just shows if you beg enough, the rules can be bent. And bending rules like this looks really bad. We need a guideline in place for things like this.

Again, just my 2¢

[UnknownError]

After reading all the threads revolving around this, I am gonna post no, the permanent ban should stay permanent. I also agree to what oobla said about the month long bans. I also agree that permanent bans should STAY permanent, only being revoked if there isn't enough evidence or new evidence comes to light.

Yep, the original perma ban was appealed and then got denied. I don't understand why a second appeal should hold any weight in the first place.

[๖ۣۜNexus]

A permanent ban is something that isn't supposed to be taken lightly at all. Permanent bans should only be applied when the case is severe enough to an extent in which this type of ban is the most appropriate. Kacey, you have repeatedly prop-killed, even after warning, and done so numerous amounts of times. Many warnings were given and yet you continued to see how far you could take it under the impression that you were invincible. You had lied about what you done, attempted to insult, and even gave up on your first appeal. You may have changed your opinion of how much you actually wanted to return, but the point that you gave up on your first appeal shows that in the first place, you weren't sorry enough to fight for it. As said before permanent bans are given for a reason which is why, in the end, they are permanent. If we were to revoke this punishment just for you, out of forgiveness, the term permanent ban would never hold it's true meaning.