RebelMaster

[Kwaurtz]

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.

I suppose it is.  But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.

I guess I worded that poorly.

Yes it would, its intentionally avoiding punishment and telling people how to. Its undermining your fellow admins.

[Boxman]

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.

I suppose it is.  But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.

I guess I worded that poorly.

Yes it would, its intentionally avoiding punishment and telling people how to. Its undermining your fellow admins.

I entirely agree... It's the same as going onto Richland (while the laser glitch was still active) and telling people HOW to glitch the trap and telling them it's okay, because you're a head admin and you can bend rules...

Besides, I agree with second chances, not the admin's behavior...

[Dante]

But Crow, Kwaurtz Was unbanned because whole had him Dos/ddos other comunitys. Then banned him to cover his own ass, completely diffrent then rebelmaster. Also Crypto hasnt been trolling (to my knowledge) while Rebel still is.

[Jorgen]

@Leomire: So his constant harrassment, admin disrespect, Trolling, Releasing Private Information (I had set my Facebook to private) and several Rdms for a week strait did not warrant a perma?

And I know he fucked with my FB because it was originaly private, and suddenly was public, plus the fact he said himself he hacked it.

YOU leo were only there for the Last Straw.
I had already talked to Jorgen, Johny, Alzine and a few others before I permad him, Days in advanced.

Umm, I would like my name striked from that as I was not informed. The others you might've but I know I was never informed, mainly due to me having no idea about it until I woke up that morning having heard shit hit the fan.

[Dante]

Well I had talked to U about him annoying me and asked if I could Mute him. The ban I didnt ask u about cause It was late night where I was.

[SkiesAhoy]

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.

I suppose it is.  But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.

I guess I worded that poorly.

Yes it would, its intentionally avoiding punishment and telling people how to. Its undermining your fellow admins.

Precisely this.

And on the subject of Rebel Master: I was not aware of the duality of his ban, nor do I agree with it.

[Blackllama]

I just realized something.  We are unbanning people for being banned by wholegrain!  Shouldn't we BAN the people who were UNBANNED by wholegrain for no reason? This wasn't a completely serious proposition so don't flip your lids over it.  It may help you understand why I think unbanning all those people was stupid though.

[Old Crow]

But Crow, Kwaurtz Was unbanned because whole had him Dos/ddos other comunitys. Then banned him to cover his own ass, completely diffrent then rebelmaster. Also Crypto hasnt been trolling (to my knowledge) while Rebel still is.

I understand where you are coming from, but considering the other two got a chance (when due to their actions, they probably shouldn't have) its fair to give Rebel another one. Rebel would certainly be watched for any amount of trolling, and proper action would be taken.

I suggest however, that we re-examine permabans and how they should apply. I believe that considering recent events, we need an in between of sorts.
 

[SkiesAhoy]

I just realizied something.  We are unbanning people for being banned by wholegrain!  Shouldn't we BAN the people who were UNBANNED by wholegrain for no reason? This wasn't a completely serious proposition so don't flip your lids over it.  It may help you understand why I think unbanning all those people was stupid though.

It may be one of the reasons, and it may apply for one case more than the other, but it would be foolish to assume we are unbanning people for the sole reason of them being banned by Wholegrain.

[Jorgen]

Well I had talked to U about him annoying me and asked if I could Mute him. The ban I didnt ask u about cause It was late night where I was.

that you did do, different story though =) Also if I recalled I said if he is disrespecting you, personally atacking you or trolling then go ahead. So I gave you the go ahead to mute him.

[Blackllama]

I just realizied something.  We are unbanning people for being banned by wholegrain!  Shouldn't we BAN the people who were UNBANNED by wholegrain for no reason? This wasn't a completely serious proposition so don't flip your lids over it.  It may help you understand why I think unbanning all those people was stupid though.

It may be one of the reasons, and it may apply for one case more than the other, but it would be foolish to assume we are unbanning people for the sole reason of them being banned by Wholegrain.

Is that not what we're doing?  Kwuartz was ddosing people because WG asked him to.  He got other communites to attack us.  Was he forced?  No.  Did he know it was illegal? Yes.  In the case that an admin contracts another to ddos, would they both be banned or neither be banned? Both would.  In this case, one of them was and one was not for some odd reason.

Anyway,
Just because wholegrain did stupid things doesn't mean that his bans were necessarily unwarranted.  By the logic used in my earlier post, his unbans should be void as well.  Not that I can think of any specific cases where he unbanned people.  (besides rebel).

I'm surprised that Remscar hasn't been mentioned.  Didn't a bunch of shit happen between rebel and him?  Can anyone shine some light on this?  I don't remember the specifics.  I do remember them having severe issues with each other and some accusations being thrown though.

[AlphaWeeaboo]

I'm surprised that Remscar hasn't been mentioned.  Didn't a bunch of shit happen between rebel and him?  Can anyone shine some light on this?  I don't remember the specifics.  I do remember them having severe issues with each other and some accusations being thrown though.

Almost completely forgot about that. RebelMaster made false accusations that Remscar had put scripts in his client that would keep him banned from the server or something along those lines. In the end it was proven false if I recall correctly and RebelMaster was just trolling Remscar.

[Blackllama]

I'm surprised that Remscar hasn't been mentioned.  Didn't a bunch of shit happen between rebel and him?  Can anyone shine some light on this?  I don't remember the specifics.  I do remember them having severe issues with each other and some accusations being thrown though.

Almost completely forgot about that. RebelMaster made false accusations that Remscar had put scripts in his client that would keep him banned from the server or something along those lines. In the end it was proven false if I recall correctly and RebelMaster was just trolling Remscar.

I also remember that he said remscar had added a command to make himself a T.

I mentioned this on vent and people told me it was true, do I believe that? Not necessarily.

[AlphaWeeaboo]

There IS a thing that makes you a T. The real question was whether or not Remscar used it often or at all. Though that's an old debate that really proves no worth.

[Dante]

Well I had talked to U about him annoying me and asked if I could Mute him. The ban I didnt ask u about cause It was late night where I was.

that you did do, different story though =) Also if I recalled I said if he is disrespecting you, personally atacking you or trolling then go ahead. So I gave you the go ahead to mute him.

I put you there to emphasise that I too, had to mute him several times, using you to state that I had permission by an ex-Head Admin. If u still want me to scratch you from the list just tell/pm me.