RebelMaster

[Boxman]

You were never permabanned or pissed of most of the TTT admins.

To be fair, I was a TTT admin and I still pissed off all the admins. That's not the point though, so meh.

[caboose74]

ok i play with snak everynight and  he's not a problem at all on the ttt server , he does sometime micspam / complaining but most of the time he's sarcastic , he know the rules and follow them  , and if he would be a problem i would already post something in the ban request about him being a massive troll .

his last ban by blacklama was when he was drunk , i do not respect what he did this night but i dont think he should have been perma because of that. 
also most people who's complaining about snak doesnt play on ttt server or have played with him recently except blacklama when he play with him when he was drunk .
a lot's of people got a second chance just give him a second chance and see what happen

[Dinomoto]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

[Boxman]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?

[Dinomoto]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?

This is not about Crypto, nor was Crypto's return up for discussion on forums.

[Sejo Mino]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?

Crypto was banned not permabanned till later on. Also Crypto has been a good player on the CG ZPS server then all of a sudden i didnt see him anymore. Then again i was also working so i didnt have alot of time to play with many of the playerz. Also Rebel was Perma 3 times, Usually a person learns his mistake after 1 time.

[Boxman]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?

This is not about Crypto, nor was Crypto's return up for discussion on forums.

No need to get defensive. It's the fact he was banned for trolling/constantly spamming/etc. It's just that it'd be hypocritical to treat someone differently for behaviors they expressed previously but others promote good behavior afterwards.

Also, I know Crypto was banned for a few stupid reasons. Trust me.. I know. That wasn't even remotely the point. We've all done bad, why is it such a hassle to just re-ban someone if they haven't changed?

[Sejo Mino]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?

This is not about Crypto, nor was Crypto's return up for discussion on forums.

No need to get defensive. It's the fact he was banned for trolling/constantly spamming/etc. It's just that it'd be hypocritical to treat someone differently for behaviors they expressed previously but others promote good behavior afterwards.

Also, I know Crypto was banned for a few stupid reasons. Trust me.. I know. That wasn't even remotely the point. We've all done bad, why is it such a hassle to just re-ban someone if they haven't changed?

Didn't u read earlyer about when black mentioned about 3 days ago he was trolling on the server. Quite Obvious that he didn't learn.

I.E. i don't really care that he gets unbanned or not but everyone does deserve a chance. but it will be a +0 from me. Neutral <---- dont know if spelt that right.

[Blackllama]

Yes, what sheep said.  It is very wrong that we are just letting people back because they were banned by WG. Some of them were banned for a reason. They did not appeal.

Also, I may not have had fantastic experiences with Snak, but in his defence, last night he spoke to me for a bit and apologized.

And caboose, he was banned on request and unbanned on request.  His forum ban was not on request.  That doesn't have anything to do with this.

I've said this on multiple pban appeals, (cryptos and  or athlonz I think).  The way we are pbanning people and unbanning them is very  inconsistant, which is NOT a good thing.

[Dinomoto]

Thanks Sejo, I was just about to bring that up.

[TowerSheep]

Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.

Again i'm not saying he's perfect but he's changed a lot (I remember how bad he used to be. He was banned a couple months after I joined CG.)

[Dante]

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

I Perma Banned Him.
Kwaurtz Perma Banned Him.
Alzine Permad Him.
I believe someone else Permad him...
Blackllama Permad Him.

Also: WHOLEGRAIN ALWAYS UNBANNED HIM, HE NEVER BANNED REBEL.

This man Has had 5/6 Chances why make it 6/7?

[AlphaWeeaboo]

Keep in mind those who were unbanned were agreed upon to be unbanned by the CL's. (Inject, I think Jorgen right? and Cadaver at the time I believe). I'm pretty sure most of the people who were unpermabanned have reformed and are currently on good behavior. RebelMaster still isn't as far as I have heard.

I typically would defend this guy but I'm remaining neutral in this.
I will however mention this:
I don't think I can emphasis enough that he has been permabanned around 3 times. 3 times. 3 separate cases where it was deemed he should not be allowed on our servers anymore. I know one of those times were at his request and Wholegrain carried through with it but the other times were by other admins.

[SkiesAhoy]

People we let in with no appeal based on the fact they were banned by WG:
Crypto - Massive troll who i've never seen as someone who is pleasant to play with. All he does is complain when things aren't his way.

Based on the fact that he was always a welcome contribution to the community in a number of ways. Of course, he had his share of thorns, like we all do, and he would prick people with them with a more consistent regularity.
I've known Crypto for the longest time now and I can say from experience that he does far more than troll and complain. He is a smart guy, with a sharp sense of humor, who I've had the pleasure of playing with on numerous occasions. I do not, by any means, deny that he had his moments. And he was punished for them. By CL and wide community consensus, he was unbanned. I feel as this isn't something that should be pursued any further, at least not in a thread concerning Rebel Master's offenses specifically. 

People we are debating
Rebel/Snak - A causal troll who does take it too far some times. The worst thing I'VE SEEN him do it yell at admins when they didn't answer why he was muted/gagged. I'm not saying his innocent by any standard.

I will have to agree with you on some respects. CG has been on a more tolerant streak, by allowing Kwartz and Crypto back. However, I do not believe we should go haywire with it. Limits must be set, somewhere, otherwise we give off the impression, as a community, that everything is permitted.
I was around when Rebel Master trolled and was promptly banned. He was a rather obnoxious person, with a certain preponderance to angry outbursts. He was pbanned multiple times, and for good reason.
That said, people change. They do. And I am honestly willing to believe that Rebel Master is no longer as he was and that he can participate in our community without inciting the anger of all those around him. Should this be the case, I would agree to seeing him unbanned on the forums, but with a single condition: He would be classed as a Watched member on the forums and kept a close eye on. If his behavior should attest to his change, then he could remain as he was before, a regular member. If that should not be the case, his new ban would be permanent and irrevocable.
In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.

Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.

Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.

[Blackllama]

In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.

This is ridulous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt?  Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.