Athlonz

[Zukuto]

Ok, so how do you want me to play? If the verdict is positive for me, how in the world you want me to drop the TMP? utilize something else? I would have to force myself to not be good...

I love that gun, It got me banned, just make it way less acurate, less quick and all of that "aimbot" topic wouldn't be there.

Propose me a way of not getting perma banned for false accusation.
What about pistol only, foot shooting, and occasional suicide to be sure admin doesn't think I hack?!

I have nothing to apoligize for.

This is why i'm so open with this and we will get stuff togheter and figure a way out so these judiciary error doesn't happen to anyone else, do you see in what situation you are putting me? let nobody treat someone has a murderer if they are not.

If you are found innocent, then we won't accuse you of hacking as easily, so stop with this pity shit about having to hinder your own skills. It's just annoying, we realize you think you're good, you don't need to ask us how to be worse so we don't ban you.

[Pillz]

I've been banned from a CvG server on ZPS for aimbotting. I've never aimbotted once in my life, and don't even consider myself good enough to deserve such accusations.

It's possible he was just playing strangely, somewhat resembling a aimbot. When I play zps, I'm constantly bouncing my mouse all over the place, spinning in circles to check for zombies, and when I hear noises in a certain direction, I snap in that direction, knowing exactly where they are because I know the map and how far away they sounded, etc.

So idunno. Everyone seems skeptical over the footage, so maybe not a perma ban. There was aimbot footage from TTT before and everyone was 100% sure it was aimbot. It didn't "look like aimbot" he jumped in the air, spun around and got 3 headshots with a pistol of some sort, and won the round. This doesn't sound nearly as bad.

I say release him on probation, watch him closely, and if we ever sincerely think he's aimbotting, or he fucks up some other way, thennn go ahead.

[Wholegrain]

Seems most seem that my proposal is quite fair at least in the fact that the consequences are increased if he fucks up in some manner for the next 3 months and will be banned accordingly.

But We all seem to agree at least a second chance is in order at least with supervision and if any suspected activity goes on just reban him.


I dunno I am asking if anyone is trying to propose any other solutions to the given problem I am all ears even if it is 100% against my plan.

[TowerSheep]

Here is my problem:

1. If you think he was hacking (as I do) Why do you want to grant him any forgiveness? I would understand if it were rdm or rdm/leave. I usually give regulars benefit of the doubt. Hacking is not tolerated on any CG server. If you want to hack you risk throwing away the community you were a part of away. It's a willing choice to cheat.

2. If you do not think he was hacking: Why shouldn't he be fully pardoned? There is no sense in punishing a man who did nothing wrong. (I suspect many people who are offering a "compromise" are actually just trying to get their longtime friend out of trouble otherwise you'd be saying that it wasn't aimbot / too little bullet spread. Ask Jorgen about the bullet spread he tested it himself last night.)

[Athlonz2012]

Recoil control in this gamemode is like baby-easy..

I didn't have the time to test if my .dem worked (recoil.dem) but anyway it is really really easy, just pull down evenly your mouse, and with someone at like 10 meters away, its like a slay machine. test it for yourself inside the server, so you get the feeling.

I'm quite sure i'm not the only one to know that TTT weapons are not the normal CSS', in fact the recoil is almost 100% dirrected above, and not randomly on the sides, or barely, this is why the TMP is a no-brainer weapons for close range.

It is hyper-fast, it reloads quickly, and the fact that it doesnt do much damage is less important if you shoot 30 bulet in the head in 1.5 second

[TowerSheep]

bullet spread =/= recoil
I doubt you have the ability to keep it that even when your normal motions are so jerky but I was saying the gun is too accurate. The bullets are as accurate as a sniper, which i changed months ago. I checked the file yesterday and it is LESS accurate than a mac10, but your shots are sniper rifle accurate.

[Hair Slut]

isnt doing tha considered a hack/cheat anyway? if so then why are we still arguing about this?

[Jorgen]

You speak the truth about the recoil, that one is without a doubt controllable. However you can't control the bullet spread unless you do bursts, you were spraying and the bullet spread is waaaay more all over the place.

[Athlonz2012]

You speak the truth about the recoil, that one is without a doubt controllable. However you can't control the bullet spread unless you do bursts, you were spraying and the bullet spread is waaaay more all over the place.

well hell, if i could get back in the server, I would be proud to show you real-time that yes, certainly for the TMP, no need for bursting, ever since that weapon has been added, I never "bursted" lol just spray the hell out of it.

Bursting for 10 meters ... uh what? and personally, I find it more accurate than the mac-10, also way faster.

I can hit people long range with it, and basicly, spray and pray, If I do that in CSS, its like impossible.
I will be trying to test out the demo when i'm back from work, also some other servers has this weapons, so i will be trying to demo it ingame.

(The vulcan was my fav weapon too haha  )

[Jorgen]

You speak the truth about the recoil, that one is without a doubt controllable. However you can't control the bullet spread unless you do bursts, you were spraying and the bullet spread is waaaay more all over the place.

well hell, if i could get back in the server, I would be proud to show you real-time that yes, certainly for the TMP, no need for bursting, ever since that weapon has been added, I never "bursted" lol just spray the hell out of it.

Bursting for 10 meters ... uh what? and personally, I find it more accurate than the mac-10, also way faster.

I can hit people long range with it, and basicly, spray and pray, If I do that in CSS, its like impossible.
I will be trying to test out the demo when i'm back from work, also some other servers has this weapons, so i will be trying to demo it ingame.

(The vulcan was my fav weapon too haha  )

I did try the TMP, long range, medium range and short range.
Short range, noticeable spread but within the range you can hit him with nearly all shots.
medium range, noticeable spread you can if you are lucky hit maybe 70% of the bullets on the victim, but with a small hitbox such as the head.  I would not believe a 100% hit rate.
Long range, VERY noticeable spread you can hit if you burst fire but if not you will hit with maybe 2 or 3 bullets every now and then. 100% hit rate to the head is practically impossible.

I would range you at short to medium range, which I would say there is a very very low chance that you could hit the way you did. I am not saying it is impossible but it is def an anomaly.

on to the visuals (which are a little more tricky and is known to jerk at times), when I fired the TMP the bullets spread immediatly after they left the muzzle and yours did hardly spread on the visual scale of it all.

[Athlonz2012]

Noticable spread yeah, but it's not that much when you spend 20 bullets of your magazine quickly, it will eventually hit the head, body, legs and its is fast so it kills anyone just check where your bullets goes and adjust your recoil control so it hit the head region.

If you want we can spend time in another server, CVG for exemple, they do have the TMP I will show you no prob.

[TowerSheep]

I have edited the values on the TMP to nerf it. One value nerfed was the spread. I made sure it was worse than the mac10 because of the silencer. So if you find the TMP more accurate than the mac10 it is clearly something you are doing clientside.

[Tendovvi]

I think that tmp is or atleast was more accurate than mac10 3 weeks ago when i used it

[Accan]

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[TowerSheep]

there is a small difference, barely noticable but the tmp is slightly MORE INACCURATE, again I check the files yesterday just to make sure the values were not changed by an update.