Religion Thread

[crypto]

Well, agnosticism, not atheism, but I guess with a slightly atheist default.

This, more or less: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism.

@Pillz, there too many religious stances I couldn't reconcile with my own stances. I don't think life is about taking a side and then mindlessly following that side's doctrine; I think it's about taking a side while retaining a fully functional brain.

[Hydraa]

Iam an Athiëst altho i believe in aliens

[Priest]

Snarf snarf.

[Skieski]

The most common problem for believers to stumble upon is the "Problem of Evil", found some examples of it online:

   1. If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
   2. There is evil in the world.
   3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist.

Or:

   1. God exists.
   2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
   3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
   4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
   5. An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
   6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
   7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
   8. Evil exists (logical contradiction)

[Priest]

I don't think evil exists any more then good does.

[Hydraa]

I don't think evil exists any more then good does.

Good exists, there are many nice people

[Global_Meltdown]

What ever happened to yin and yang and the balance between good and evil, and the whole lucifier is a fallen angel of god? so technically it's all god's divine plan?

Not enemies but rather partners playing chess moving the pawns and the world is what they are actually playing against? (free will) So according to that book thing evil and good can exist.

[Priest]

"Good" is just socially accepted behavior. And every society has their own moral codes. Do you think that someone who has another set of beliefs in another society is evil? Simply because their morality does not correlate with yours?

[crypto]

Some values overlap across many, many societies. Please don't spew relativist garbage.

[Priest]

Some. But not all.

[Skieski]

"Good" is just socially accepted behavior. And every society has their own moral codes. Do you think that someone who has another set of beliefs in another society is evil? Simply because their morality does not correlate with yours?

"The absolute good is not a matter of opinion but of nature.--Cicero"

[Wholegrain]

crpto goes both ways................. *pause for a few seconds .........with religion

[Simplex]

The most common problem for believers to stumble upon is the "Problem of Evil", found some examples of it online:

   1. If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
   2. There is evil in the world.
   3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist.

Or:

   1. God exists.
   2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
   3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
   4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
   5. An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
   6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
   7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
   8. Evil exists (logical contradiction)

I just want to say, that kind of conclusion didn't match for me. There is no point where it will say that your perfectly good being WILL prevent the evil, it is only assuming that the deity will follow those circumstances.

And, if an all powerful 'good' god does exist, then wouldn't you assume than an evil god does not? Rather than evil itself, for the matter.

From that, you have to assume all types of "good" for behavior, I'll say. Although there may be evil, the good god assuming,w ill be merciful, the good god will not do things to hamper his creation, will not destroy like an 'evil god."

But. if you really want to cheese this, you can just read parts of the old testament, where, is very generally summarized earlier in the post; there is judgement, condemnation, etc. So the logically conclusion isn't needed to begin with with the logical analysis of what has occurred, if you really want to look at the bible.

By the way, I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just looking at it from another standpoint.

And much love to everyone.

The Dead Sea Scrolls also have some information during the era that you would say Jesus was living.

And also, science has killed, maimed, tortured, ruined, hampered many more lives than religion could ever hope to do.

My 2 cents.

[crypto]

Science has also saved more.

[Sejo Mino]

What i THink is why does everyone make a big deal about religion. Why does everyone have to kill each other over what religion they are. Well anyways i think that everyone should not make fun of a persons religion and be friends with them .....XP

Hmm i sould like a hippie for some reason XP......not a hippie