Religion Thread

[Dinomoto]

im allowed to be a bigot

[Priest]

Okay. So someone isn't a Christian if they don't believe in all parts of the Bible. But doesn't that make you not a Christian since you don't follow the teachings of the Old Testament?

The Old Testament and Christianity are two separate entities. Christianity never existed in the Old Testament.  Christianity is the teachings of new New Testament after Jesus Christ. The Old Testament is included in the bible as a historical viewpoint of the Jews.

Either everything in the Bible is the word of God or it's not. Make up your mind.

[Holy]

Okay. So someone isn't a Christian if they don't believe in all parts of the Bible. But doesn't that make you not a Christian since you don't follow the teachings of the Old Testament?

The Old Testament and Christianity are two separate entities. Christianity never existed in the Old Testament.  Christianity is the teachings of new New Testament after Jesus Christ. The Old Testament is included in the bible as a historical viewpoint of the Jews.

Either everything in the Bible is the word of God or it's not. Make up your mind.

What are you talking about? I never mentioned the word of God in my response to you. Read my posts better. Of course it is all the word of God.

why o why do people keep responding to this,

religion sucks, if your part of any religious group or w/e, you have rules to keep and it sucks.

Nice trolling.

[Inject OH 4]

This thread has derailed way off of proper debating. Should either be locked or cleaned up!


**** Bashing a religion does not count as debating. It gets no were. Please try to keep a friendly manner when talking in the debating forum. Saying something sucks is not debating, its an opinion. Please leave your opinions for your self. ****

[Inject OH 4]

You guys are all frigging morons today. Obviously none of you have ever debated before. So lets set this straight.

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  10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
  11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
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  20. Watch your tone of voice.
  21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
  22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.

You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

Now lighten up you bucket of parrots and debate properly.

[Dante]

LOCK!

[dirtylaundry022]

You guys are all frigging morons today. Obviously none of you have ever debated before. So lets set this straight.

Debate Suggestions And Rules:

Advice on Debating with Others

   1. Avoid the use of Never.
   2. Avoid the use of Always.
   3. Refrain from saying you are wrong.
   4. You can say your idea is mistaken.
   5. Don't disagree with obvious truths.
   6. Attack the idea not the person.
   7. Use many rather than most.
   8. Avoid exaggeration.
   9. Use some rather than many.
  10. The use of often allows for exceptions.
  11. The use of generally allows for exceptions.
  12. Quote sources and numbers.
  13. If it is just an opinion, admit it.
  14. Do not present opinion as facts.
  15. Smile when disagreeing.
  16. Stress the positive.
  17. You do not need to win every battle to win the war.
  18. Concede minor or trivial points.
  19. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling.
  20. Watch your tone of voice.
  21. Don't win a debate and lose a friend.
  22. Keep your perspective - You're just debating.

You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well.
With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly.

Now lighten up you bucket of parrots and debate properly.

THANK YOU!!!!
 

[Holy]

Inject for the win. ^_^

[Skieski]

The Bible states that homosexuals should be killed. That you can sell your daughter into slavery. That you cannot wear clothes made of two different materials. And the Bible is the word of God. Therefore, God wants homosexuals killed, for example. God is ancient, all-seeing, all-knowing and all-capable. Why would some of his word be valid, and some of it not? Are you questioning certain aspects of God´s word?

You are correct that the Old Testament is full of violence. I think it just shows how powerful God is and what authority He has. The way you are stating your points it seems (though you may not be) that you are inferring that God just randomly promoted killing and slayed people at random. The people only suffered violence and death because they could not follow God's law or challenged God directly. Every effect has it's cause after all. Think of it like our TTT server. Admins (God) don't randomly slay/ban people for nothing. If a person (sinner) is RDMing or breaks the rules then the Admin (God) takes charge and slays or banishes (damns) the RDMer / rule breaker (sinner.) In a nutshell, our TTT server is like the Old Testament.

When transcending from the OT to the NT the sin is the same and is still there. However, the punishment is different. You are not killed and damned upon committing a sin, instead, if you do not repent, you are damned to eternal suffering. There is also the ability to be forgiven out of the mercy of God in the NT. Even after Jesus died, he went to hell to take with him all the worthy damned people to heaven with him.

Simply put, all the word of God is valid. We are created in His image, if we feel emotion so must he. God is a jealous God whom should be feared and loved. From the OT comes fear, from the NT comes love. Christianity represents the NT, the love. Not to say the fear isn't there.

I never said that God randomly promoted killing people. There was a defined motive for each and every one of his violent actions.

What worries me is that the same God that is now seen as a lovely fatherly figure, warmly looking down at humanity is the same God that one day said "Ok, experiment gone awry. Time to reset" and flooded the entire earth. I simply cannot understand how he could once preach extreme violence, and now preaches love. What brought the change?

I can see however, where you have gotten yourself into. Changing the punishment has made God´s existence a "might be". Since we are all punished after death, and nobody can say what comes after death, there is no viable way, from your viewpoint, to disprove God´s existence.

[dirtylaundry022]

I can see however, where you have gotten yourself into. Changing the punishment has made God´s existence a "might be". Since we are all punished after death, and nobody can say what comes after death, there is no viable way, from your viewpoint, to disprove God´s existence.

[Raunky]

Okay, thread over. 

[Holy]

I never said that God randomly promoted killing people. There was a defined motive for each and every one of his violent actions.

What worries me is that the same God that is now seen as a lovely fatherly figure, warmly looking down at humanity is the same God that one day said "Ok, experiment gone awry. Time to reset" and flooded the entire earth. I simply cannot understand how he could once preach extreme violence, and now preaches love. What brought the change?

I can see however, where you have gotten yourself into. Changing the punishment has made God´s existence a "might be". Since we are all punished after death, and nobody can say what comes after death, there is no viable way, from your viewpoint, to disprove God´s existence.

I cannot answer for God unless He decides to speak through me. If I were to take an educated guess on the matter. I most likely wouldn't be correct. The change came when Jesus was born. What inspired the change is a mystery. Perhaps the world was too far gone and needed a savior. Perhaps it was all part of God's plan for it to go that way. To look at it in perspective, if Jesus never came, the OT would still be happening. If Jesus came and preached what He did and things in the OT still happened, God would be a hypocrite. If God loved for all eternity, there most likely would be no fear of Him or need for Jesus. People would blow God off more if He was always loving. In the end, only God knows the correct answer.

When you say nobody can say what comes after death. I agree. That is where belief sets in, not just for the religious, but the non-religious also. Some believe there is something after death, other believe there is nothing after death. To 'know' is arrogant. Since, after all, there is no way of knowing what happens after death. Well stated. ^_^

[Priest]

Okay. So someone isn't a Christian if they don't believe in all parts of the Bible. But doesn't that make you not a Christian since you don't follow the teachings of the Old Testament?

The Old Testament and Christianity are two separate entities. Christianity never existed in the Old Testament.  Christianity is the teachings of new New Testament after Jesus Christ. The Old Testament is included in the bible as a historical viewpoint of the Jews.

Either everything in the Bible is the word of God or it's not. Make up your mind.

What are you talking about? I never mentioned the word of God in my response to you. Read my posts better. Of course it is all the word of God.

If your god is infallible and cannot be wrong then the Old Testament is true and you must do as your creator asks.

[Dinomoto]

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[Finniespin]

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