Help Shikaru choose a new Mouse/Keyboard and Headset

[Inject OH 4]

30 MILLISECONDS MEANS DEATH WHEN YOU'RE FIGHTING THE ENEMY IN THE TOP LANE

EVERY FUCKING FEMTOSECOND COUNTS

DOTA IS THE WORLD'S MOST INTENSE FUCKING GAME OK
THIS IS WHERE THE HUMAN REACTION TIME SUDDENLY STOPS BEING LIKE 150-300 MILLISECONDS
THIS IS WHERE CLICKING A BUTTON 30 MILLISECONDS TOO LATE MEANS UH OH BYE BYE KIDD-O YOURE DEAD
I ONLY USE THE FINEST IN GAMER ORIENTED GEAR WITH 50 BUTTON MICE AND KEYBOARDS WITH LITTLE SCREENS AND 20 MACRO KEYS FOR THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE.
I AM A TRUE DROW RANGER. I HAVE A BLUE BACKLIT MOUSE AND KEYBOARD
I ONLY USE WIRED EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THE UNNOTICEABLE DELAY ON WIRELESS WILL PUT ME ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LEADERBOARD IN THIS HUGE NECKBEARD ORGY

[Kwaurtz]

Since you guys wanna be a bunch of asshats. Heres math for you.

 USB default Windows polling rate is 125Hz, i.e. it has 8ms latency or lag between each packet. Now, even though each packet is 8 bytes long it seems USB keyboards still need to communicate only one key per packet, and that comes down to 125 keys per second.

PS/2 works at 10-16 kHz and I think protocol defines 11 bits per packet. That comes down to 16,000 / 11 = 1454.55 keys per second.

To provide an example of what these numbers are crunching, its basically how many keys you can jam into a frame. So lets take a fighting game for example. The difference between the two keyboards is how quickly I can execute the keystrokes to do my combo. For the USB I can execute two key strokes within a frame, while using the PS/2 I can obviously jam around 22 keys per frame, which, if you've ever seen any good fighting game players, is the difference between winning and losing. A lot of moves have start up frames of invincibility in modern games so that key difference between frames can be pretty drastic for some gamers.

Now, if you want to actually contribute to the thread, that'd be awesome, or if you just want to be a bunch of cancer to CG, keep on trucking like you guys do.

[Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!)]

Since you guys wanna be a bunch of asshats. Heres math for you.

 USB default Windows polling rate is 125Hz, i.e. it has 8ms latency or lag between each packet. Now, even though each packet is 8 bytes long it seems USB keyboards still need to communicate only one key per packet, and that comes down to 125 keys per second.

PS/2 works at 10-16 kHz and I think protocol defines 11 bits per packet. That comes down to 16,000 / 11 = 1454.55 keys per second.

To provide an example of what these numbers are crunching, its basically how many keys you can jam into a frame. So lets take a fighting game for example. The difference between the two keyboards is how quickly I can execute the keystrokes to do my combo. For the USB I can execute two key strokes within a frame, while using the PS/2 I can obviously jam around 22 keys per frame, which, if you've ever seen any good fighting game players, is the difference between winning and losing. A lot of moves have start up frames of invincibility in modern games so that key difference between frames can be pretty drastic for some gamers.

Now, if you want to actually contribute to the thread, that'd be awesome, or if you just want to be a bunch of cancer to CG, keep on trucking like you guys do.

Fighting games are a bad example, all of the pros use the controllers designed for the specific game. Regardless, we understand what you mean but it's not a noticeable difference for most people. If you are looking for it you'll see it, of course, but he's not asking for competitive gear anyways.

[Christovski]

Fighting games are a bad example, all of the pros use the controllers designed for the specific game. Regardless, we understand what you mean but it's not a noticeable difference for most people. If you are looking for it you'll see it, of course, but he's not asking for competitive gear anyways.

Thank you Cortez.  The bolded part is the reason this thread got so off-topic.

So let's get this guy some good stuff for what he wants, yeah?

[Raunky]

Since you guys wanna be a bunch of asshats. Heres math for you.

 USB default Windows polling rate is 125Hz, i.e. it has 8ms latency or lag between each packet. Now, even though each packet is 8 bytes long it seems USB keyboards still need to communicate only one key per packet, and that comes down to 125 keys per second.

PS/2 works at 10-16 kHz and I think protocol defines 11 bits per packet. That comes down to 16,000 / 11 = 1454.55 keys per second.

To provide an example of what these numbers are crunching, its basically how many keys you can jam into a frame. So lets take a fighting game for example. The difference between the two keyboards is how quickly I can execute the keystrokes to do my combo. For the USB I can execute two key strokes within a frame, while using the PS/2 I can obviously jam around 22 keys per frame, which, if you've ever seen any good fighting game players, is the difference between winning and losing. A lot of moves have start up frames of invincibility in modern games so that key difference between frames can be pretty drastic for some gamers.

Now, if you want to actually contribute to the thread, that'd be awesome, or if you just want to be a bunch of cancer to CG, keep on trucking like you guys do.

lol it's funny because you study culinary arts and you're trying to explain clock speeds and shit.

[Kwaurtz]

Since you guys wanna be a bunch of asshats. Heres math for you.

 USB default Windows polling rate is 125Hz, i.e. it has 8ms latency or lag between each packet. Now, even though each packet is 8 bytes long it seems USB keyboards still need to communicate only one key per packet, and that comes down to 125 keys per second.

PS/2 works at 10-16 kHz and I think protocol defines 11 bits per packet. That comes down to 16,000 / 11 = 1454.55 keys per second.

To provide an example of what these numbers are crunching, its basically how many keys you can jam into a frame. So lets take a fighting game for example. The difference between the two keyboards is how quickly I can execute the keystrokes to do my combo. For the USB I can execute two key strokes within a frame, while using the PS/2 I can obviously jam around 22 keys per frame, which, if you've ever seen any good fighting game players, is the difference between winning and losing. A lot of moves have start up frames of invincibility in modern games so that key difference between frames can be pretty drastic for some gamers.

Now, if you want to actually contribute to the thread, that'd be awesome, or if you just want to be a bunch of cancer to CG, keep on trucking like you guys do.

lol it's funny because you study culinary arts and you're trying to explain clock speeds and shit.

Its funny because I can no longer work in food due to plantar fasciitishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantar_fasciitis and thus I'm currently int he process of getting my CCNA because I currently work as an internet repair tech for Charter Communications.

[Raunky]

lol it's funny because you study IT and you're trying to explain clock speeds and shit.

[Leetgrain]

Raunky, this is now getting pretty over the top, mind calming down? If you have a massive problem with him, settle it on steam, this is getting out of hand.

[Inject OH 4]

125 keys per second.

PS/2 works  1454.55 keys per second.

Amount of keys a human can press in 1 second = ~50

your 60Hz Monitor running your 658FPS game is only displaying 60 FPS to you.

"Default Windows USB polling rate = 125Hz"
And if you have a high grade product it doesn't follow default windows rates!

My mouse runs at a 500Hz Polling Rate.
Lets remember Higher Number does not mean better. Higher rates require more processing power from the mouse, something no PS/2 mouse is going to hit at anyways. Running above 125Hz on any PS/2 Mouse will result in massive lag on your mouse.

"USB is much faster, but the bandwidth is across many ports as opposed to one port."

"Despite all of this theory, USB is more or less on equal footing in the real-world, even though PS/2 is faster (more direct) and offers NKRO capability. After all, you're probably not printing documents and gaming at the same time. Really, the only hardware combination we'd be worried about would be a fast storage device connected to the same USB root port, since bus utilization of up to 100% is possible in that situation. If you really needed to, you could always disconnect high-bandwidth USB devices when they aren't being used.

The often-recommended trick of turning off USB webcams and microphones won't help. Isochronous transfers always have an open window of at least 20%. So much for the myth of data rates and input lag. Delays will always occur, whether you want them to or not. First, there's the fact that keyboards have a built-in delay. And from there, it's up to the keyboard itself. Which combinations of keys in which quantities can be struck simultaneously?"

Honestly when it comes down to it. All PS/2 is good for is pressing more then 6 keys. Something I doubt you do much anyways.

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!

[Raunky]

125 keys per second.

PS/2 works  1454.55 keys per second.

Amount of keys a human can press in 1 second = ~50

your 60Hz Monitor running your 658FPS game is only displaying 60 FPS to you.

"Default Windows USB polling rate = 125Hz"
And if you have a high grade product it doesn't follow default windows rates!

My mouse runs at a 500Hz Polling Rate.
Lets remember Higher Number does not mean better. Higher rates require more processing power from the mouse, something no PS/2 mouse is going to hit at anyways. Running above 125Hz on any PS/2 Mouse will result in massive lag on your mouse.

"USB is much faster, but the bandwidth is across many ports as opposed to one port."

"Despite all of this theory, USB is more or less on equal footing in the real-world, even though PS/2 is faster (more direct) and offers NKRO capability. After all, you're probably not printing documents and gaming at the same time. Really, the only hardware combination we'd be worried about would be a fast storage device connected to the same USB root port, since bus utilization of up to 100% is possible in that situation. If you really needed to, you could always disconnect high-bandwidth USB devices when they aren't being used.

The often-recommended trick of turning off USB webcams and microphones won't help. Isochronous transfers always have an open window of at least 20%. So much for the myth of data rates and input lag. Delays will always occur, whether you want them to or not. First, there's the fact that keyboards have a built-in delay. And from there, it's up to the keyboard itself. Which combinations of keys in which quantities can be struck simultaneously?"

Honestly when it comes down to it. All PS/2 is good for is pressing more then 6 keys. Something I doubt you do much anyways.

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!

This and Inject's article may have been written pre-USB 3.0 which has an incredible amount of bandwidth, so it's even less of an issue on modern tech.
Also the practical polling rate of PS/2 is set to a default of 100hz.

[Leninade]

Don't buy "gaming" headsets. They're shit value for the money and usually pretty shoddily built. I'd suggest getting a pair of headphones and a clip on mic. The Audio-Technica AD-700(these just recently went out of production so they might be hard to find) is a great pair of headphones, and this: http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-ME-52W-Noise-Canceling-Microphone/dp/B000MYPPPE/ is a great mic.

Alternatively for headphones, you can get the CAL(http://www.amazon.com/Creative-EF0060-Aurvana-Live-Headphones/dp/B000ZJZ7OA/), or if you don't mind spending a bit more, just about anything from Beyerdynamic is really good for playing games. Or if neither of those are up your alley, Sennheiser 558s and 598s are also really nice.
As for keyboard, anything mechanical is pretty nice. I have a Razer Black Widow Ultimate and I'm a fan.

Funny, I use the audio-technica ATH-M30's and they're amazing. No mic on them, but honestly, a mic is like an extra $5-10. Unless you're recording yourself talking and need the quality, you probably don't need something super expensive.

I've got a pair of turtle beaches that I pretty much never use because even though the sound quality is good, they're incredibly uncomfortable to wear for a long period of time. And if Burgers' microphone is any indication, they can be waaaaay too sensitive.

For general gaming, the technicas are great. I can honestly wear them for hours without hurting my ears. The model I use is like $60 on amazon, and they're probably the most well built headphones I've ever gotten. Downside (at least to mine) is that they're more for studio work, so it's got an 11 foot one-sided cable, which can be cumbersome. They also don't fold up, which means they take up a bit more space, but I'd contend it's part of why they're so much more comfortable.

If I need to use voice chat at all, I've got a fairly shitty headset I picked up for like $5 that I wear like a necklace. You'll have to ask Live Bait, Burgers or Sniper what the sound quality from them is like, but I don't think it's terrible.

[Finniespin]

Just a cherry on the top.

Back in the good 'ol SC1 korean world champships. They gamed on a damn crappy, iffy, dusty, yellowed keyboard.
No macro's n shit.

[Yahtzee]

125 keys per second.

PS/2 works  1454.55 keys per second.

Amount of keys a human can press in 1 second = ~50

your 60Hz Monitor running your 658FPS game is only displaying 60 FPS to you.

"Default Windows USB polling rate = 125Hz"
And if you have a high grade product it doesn't follow default windows rates!

My mouse runs at a 500Hz Polling Rate.
Lets remember Higher Number does not mean better. Higher rates require more processing power from the mouse, something no PS/2 mouse is going to hit at anyways. Running above 125Hz on any PS/2 Mouse will result in massive lag on your mouse.

"USB is much faster, but the bandwidth is across many ports as opposed to one port."

"Despite all of this theory, USB is more or less on equal footing in the real-world, even though PS/2 is faster (more direct) and offers NKRO capability. After all, you're probably not printing documents and gaming at the same time. Really, the only hardware combination we'd be worried about would be a fast storage device connected to the same USB root port, since bus utilization of up to 100% is possible in that situation. If you really needed to, you could always disconnect high-bandwidth USB devices when they aren't being used.

The often-recommended trick of turning off USB webcams and microphones won't help. Isochronous transfers always have an open window of at least 20%. So much for the myth of data rates and input lag. Delays will always occur, whether you want them to or not. First, there's the fact that keyboards have a built-in delay. And from there, it's up to the keyboard itself. Which combinations of keys in which quantities can be struck simultaneously?"

Honestly when it comes down to it. All PS/2 is good for is pressing more then 6 keys. Something I doubt you do much anyways.

GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!

This and Inject's article may have been written pre-USB 3.0 which has an incredible amount of bandwidth, so it's even less of an issue on modern tech.
Also the practical polling rate of PS/2 is set to a default of 100hz.

Go outside. You guys could definitely use the sun. <3<3<3

[Raunky]

Good thing there's wifi out there

[DBag]

You can also set up a mini fridge and the grill is right there to you never need to leave. if gotta use the bathroom find a tree its perfect XD