Đante the Đaemon

[Ðeath.]

I might have a demo of the second incident, (During rooftops, I mean.) Do you know what time EST that occurred? You can check the actual time you took the screenshot in.. It might be different numbers, but this is where my SS folder is, so it probably is for you.
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\33220014\760\remote\4000\screenshots

[Dante]

I might have a demo of the second incident, (During rooftops, I mean.) Do you know what time EST that occurred? You can check the actual time you took the screenshot in.. It might be different numbers, but this is where my SS folder is, so it probably is for you.
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\33220014\760\remote\4000\screenshots

I think Rooftops was between 10 and 1.

[TowerSheep]

First off, thank you death for the demos. They helped.
Second, I'm here to exmain evidence and give my opinion. I've looked at all that was posted so far.

1The way Herpderp and I collided was accidental and occurred in a similar doorway and manner that Dante uses the axe here: http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/andyoh0123/cg/hypocrisyinthecolonies_zps2ac1f43a.jpg

2Roy the ship incident:
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/andyoh0123/cg/hitit_zpsa80d7d39.png
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/andyoh0123/cg/hitititlikeumeanit_zps883d1882.png

1 -> That is no against the rules. He's not chasing anyone with it.
2 -> So if an admin sees what he thinks is rdm, he should ignore it? He was doing what he was supposed to do. Maybe if you stopped taking shit like this personal and try to get people to go against him he wouldn't feel the need to ensure you follow the rules. He may be more forgiving. The person damaged DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLAIN. That is a common courtesy the admins extend to players.

More proof:
1He muted me for correcting him:
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631915450053349324/829D55BCF0A1A8D9D4F26336A36F70F03DFB5716/
2Heres him practically disrespecting me and supporting Kael for what he said:
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/631915450053343073/99AEEC6B697EF1BD19B33528DAD3F6221C75159E/
He also killed me for me hitting the health station twice, and did not slay himself (it's not a valid reason to kill)

1 -> Herp, he did ask you to stop multiple times. See "DanteAndyHerp2.dem"
2 -> Same demo, he was fustrated because you wouldn't drop it after multiple warnings.

1Rooftops Incident:
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/andyoh0123/cg/vendetta_zps2a4829ae.png
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/andyoh0123/cg/veeeendatta_zpsb21ff7c1.png

Also: Hitting the Health Station is T baiting (in my view), unless told to do so. It is doing something that the final out come is traitorous. He had every right to kill you AND herp. Most people are just nice and don't.


Conclusion: No abuse found. Don't T-bait and whine when you get capped for it.
Dante, well done. You lost your temper once but you held it longer than I would :-P. Be careful because I see you filling in a lot of undefined rules, I just happen to agree with this one.
Dante AND Death, since this was not written please seek out Cortez's opinion before enforcing rules. I think it should be considered T baiting.

[Obviously not Gopib]

About the continuous hitting the health station...

You both hit the health station enough times to where it was destroyed. Both having participated in destroying the health station, should be killed, because you both assigned damage to it multiple times and it WAS destroyed.

Roy: I could see how helping break a health station could get you killed, although if Herp had walked away before it was broken, then he shouldn't be killed. But why even break it? IMO thats just trolling.

I agree with the points presented above.
I strongly think there should be something added about this in the rules. There is absolutely NO purpose to hitting/damaging the health station other than to troll as an innocent or to ease upcoming traitorous attacks (possible exceptions if it's 1v1 between an inno and a traitor). Damaging the health station should have a consequence other than just mere "mark him/her as suspicious", seeing as some proven innocents like being trolling clowns as well (something that I do not feel should be welcome in our server.) A light post-round punishment if done by a proven innocent or an in-round damage infliction if by a traitor/not proven innocent, or something.

Damaging the Health Station as an innocent = Trolling and nothing else, and there's no need for trolling.

Otherwise I'm surprised this particular issue (the health station one) is being tossed against Dante in a forum thread at such a force. As a higher admin, if I was there to witness him and other people killing you for damaging an INNOCENT FRIENDLY item as an INNOCENT to troll OTHER PLAYERS, sure technically that's not killable, but I would've let it go. Hell even if I was the troll in question hitting the health station, I wouldn't care.

Just because it's not technically specified that you shouldn't do one thing doesn't mean you should be a dick to other players. That health station incident should not be what demotes Dante, or even be debated any further in my opinion.

THIS.
If you participate in destroying a health station, your taking the chance to get shot. Dont do it the whine about it.

[HerpDerpMike]

Roy: I could see how helping break a health station could get you killed, although if Herp had walked away before it was broken, then he shouldn't be killed. But why even break it? IMO thats just trolling.

I've noticed him doing this a lot. Just the other day, he waltzed up to the tester on 67th and smashed it, thinking he was immune because he was a detective. Then a confused inno shot him, then another shot him, and it became an RDM fest. I'm saying this to you Herp: stop it. Stop initiating RDM.

My apologizes, I was out:
I think the tester ruins the fun of finding out who the traitors are, so I destroyed it for one round. Detectives should be immune anyway.
Roy:
If Andy was hitting it and not stopping, me hitting it a couple of times would have done nothing - Andy was going to break it anyways.

[oobla37]

Roy: I could see how helping break a health station could get you killed, although if Herp had walked away before it was broken, then he shouldn't be killed. But why even break it? IMO thats just trolling.

I've noticed him doing this a lot. Just the other day, he waltzed up to the tester on 67th and smashed it, thinking he was immune because he was a detective. Then a confused inno shot him, then another shot him, and it became an RDM fest. I'm saying this to you Herp: stop it. Stop initiating RDM.

My apologizes, I was out:
I think the tester ruins the fun of finding out who the traitors are, so I destroyed it for one round. Detectives should be immune anyway.
Roy:
If Andy was hitting it and not stopping, me hitting it a couple of times would have done nothing - Andy was going to break it anyways.

Jesus herp, stop hitting health stations, and if worst comes to worst, hit the tester any time that you are NOT a detective, break the thing pre round if anytime at all. Please do that for me? Just break it pre round, and never health?

[HerpDerpMike]

Roy: I could see how helping break a health station could get you killed, although if Herp had walked away before it was broken, then he shouldn't be killed. But why even break it? IMO thats just trolling.

I've noticed him doing this a lot. Just the other day, he waltzed up to the tester on 67th and smashed it, thinking he was immune because he was a detective. Then a confused inno shot him, then another shot him, and it became an RDM fest. I'm saying this to you Herp: stop it. Stop initiating RDM.

My apologizes, I was out:
I think the tester ruins the fun of finding out who the traitors are, so I destroyed it for one round. Detectives should be immune anyway.
Roy:
If Andy was hitting it and not stopping, me hitting it a couple of times would have done nothing - Andy was going to break it anyways.

Jesus herp, stop hitting health stations, and if worst comes to worst, hit the tester any time that you are NOT a detective, break the thing pre round if anytime at all. Please do that for me? Just break it pre round, and never health?

k, didn't know destroying stuff was a big deal. won't happen again?

[oobla37]

Dude, I urge you not too. I know you've been trying to be on good behavior. I've noticed. Just... Try to stay on good standing.

[HerpDerpMike]

Dude, I urge you not too. I know you've been trying to be on good behavior. I've noticed. Just... Try to stay on good standing.

I swear not to crowbar any people, healthstations, or t-tester, t-bait in anyway, or troll.

k?

[Old Crow]

I think Towersheep just basically ended this one pretty well.

I've been gone the entire day, so I have not seen all the evidence myself, but I do see one thing:

I see somebody crying wolf over petty things. Don't forget how that story ended. Bringing up admin abuse multiple times with lack of hard evidence, or very weak evidence makes me think that you have it out for somebody more then actually making sure admins stay within their boundaries. Add in the fact that you were the one to break the health station, then complain about it, makes me think you still don't know the rules of the server.

*sigh* since it appears people want to troll anyway they can. I suggest that any attempt to destroy a T tester/health station should be changed to result in it being a killable action. Put it in black and white, and if people complain, then its right there.

[andyoh0123]

Just wanna say me and Dante talked on steam and we apologized and talked it out maturely and professionally, the rooftops issue has been resolved.

As for anyone interested in the mw2 incident screenshot: http://gyazo.com/cbb0fc321ff200a45bd41ab415b0b46f.png

[Leninade]

Just wanna say me and Dante talked on steam and we apologized and talked it out maturely and professionally, the rooftops issue has been resolved.

As for anyone interested in the mw2 incident screenshot: http://gyazo.com/cbb0fc321ff200a45bd41ab415b0b46f.png

Which again begs the question why you didn't do that first and instead made this thread almost immediately.

[HerpDerpMike]

Just wanna say me and Dante talked on steam and we apologized and talked it out maturely and professionally, the rooftops issue has been resolved.

As for anyone interested in the mw2 incident screenshot: http://gyazo.com/cbb0fc321ff200a45bd41ab415b0b46f.png

Dante and I also talked, this time calmly, and we decided it was considered trolling and I told him I would stop..

So now what to do with this thread:
Dante is no longer considered abusing
and we should add to the rules that hitting the health station/t tester is traitorous. at the time of this thread being posted I was just going by the rules, and saying it was legal.

[Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!)]

Well that pretty much resolved itself. Old Crow, Towersheep and John pretty much said it all. I will be making an edit to the rules to prevent this confusion with the healthstation. Admin abuse not found, thread locked.