Kacey

[mjb627]

I really didn't check into why Kacey was banned until now and man has he been given chance after chance.

lets look back at old threads shall we?
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9384.30
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9655.0

the ban should stay.

Ya this is enough, ban should stay.

[Old Crow]

As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.

As for my thoughs, I think the proof is in the pudding on this one. You have not changed.

Proof:
http://www.quantumimpulsegaming.com/banlist/index.php?p=banlist&hideinactive=false&searchText=STEAM_0:1:24770504
http://sv.noobonicplague.com/bans/
http://urbangamers.net/bans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A24770504&Submit=

One of those bans is before your ban from CG, but the other two are dated past. If you can't follow the rules on other servers, and couldn't follow the rules here, then are you truly going to follow them this time?

I believe the answer is No

[Obviously not Gopib]

As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.

I'll keep from posting my thoughts however, at this moment.

This is good idea.
Back to the subject, Kacey indeed has had many chances, but its been quite a long time and although what he did would more be on the span of things rather then the singular incident, the whole escapade has been rather scetchy in that the event was to an extent "agreed apon". Furthermore, its been many months, and even though his tone in these replies might have been harsh and ill-suited its understandable as hes frustrated because he just wants to come back.
TL;DR-100th times a charm, eh?

[Old Crow]

As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.

I'll keep from posting my thoughts however, at this moment.

This is good idea.
Back to the subject, Kacey indeed has had many chances, but its been quite a long time and although what he did would more be on the span of things rather then the singular incident, the whole escapade has been rather scetchy in that the event was to an extent "agreed apon". Furthermore, its been many months, and even though his tone in these replies might have been harsh and ill-suited its understandable as hes frustrated because he just wants to come back.
TL;DR-100th times a charm, eh?

There is such thing as too many chances. So getting banned from other servers for exactly the same thing that he got banned here tells me he has not changed, and to give him another chance would serve no purpose.

Only those deemed worthy are given a second chance. Tictac, Kwuartz are two great examples. They were given a second change because we saw that they were willing to change....and to make a long story short, they changed enough for them to get through their probation's and become regular members again, and in fact become admins, thereby helping CG even more. There was one more person in that group that was given a second chance, who did not change. I knew he wasn't going to change, and well the rest is history.

Kacey has not changed.

[Obviously not Gopib]

I hope Kacey doesnt go down the Lilg path at least. Hes not THAT bad.

[HerpDerpMike]

I think CG should forget about lilg..
He wants attention and we're giving it to him. He looks at the forums because of proxies.. so hes probably reading this. And you guys bringing him up all the damn time sure doesn't help.

[Obviously not Gopib]

I think CG should forget about lilg..
He wants attention and we're giving it to him. He looks at the forums because of proxies.. so hes probably reading this. And you guys bringing him up all the damn time sure doesn't help.

Wow, hes a little obsessed isnt he? The whiney bastard still lurking about, kinda funny actually.

[(=CG=) Scooby]

Hears the thing guys.

This perma argument has to stop. He was perma banned from a server not a CG wide perma ban which are two completely different things. Yes, it's a perma ban and no ones saying it becomes anything else. But a week ban is a week ban... and a day ban is a day ban.... Etc etc.

A ban is what it is unless it is contested. This is him contesting or asking for forgiveness about his ban.


So lets not argue if perma is perma and argue if HE as an individual has earned the right for an unban.

Alright?

I'm gonna post that for any future or past remarks on Perm is perm.

Anyway Kacey has shown some maturity in this appeal ,I've read both his other appeals, he admits to all the things he's done wrong. I think we should keep reply's on this appeal serious and not try to induce rage from Kacey. He may have had other chances but this time can truly be his last if he screws up again just permban him from everything including forums. People can change.

Personally I think he deserves another chance.

[Leninade]

If there's anything that Kacey's shown in his previous ban appeals and what he's said here given his recent bans on other servers, it's that he's willing to say just about anything if it will get others to do what he wants. He obviously hasn't changed, and is just trying to manipulate people by staying civil. It's real easy to put on the mask of a nice person for just a short while.

[TowerSheep]

That's not the point the fact that he has already been given numerous chances is enough to say the ban stays. He doesn't care about rules he only wants to come back because he can't find a decent server he said so him self. And with his recent ban that crow found it's obvious he has not matured and doesn't care about rules.

A Perma ban is PERMANENT you are banned for good no return. If you cheat you get perma ban, if you be a douche and break rules time after time again you get a perma ban. What's the difference? none the server shows rules when you join if you can't even read them then don't play on the server simple as that.

Welcome to CG where the bans don't matter and the lengths are made up :-P

I agree as the HA at the time of his ban, he was nothing but trouble. I got a bunch of messages every day about how he was prop killing. I'd sign on and he stopped.

[SkiesAhoy]

The argument "A Permaban is PERMANENT" is not an argument at all. Regardless of what the rules say, the jurisprudence is there. People with permanent bans have been unbanned, and we should not start playing with double standards.

Tackle the issue from another angle.

[Kwaurtz]

How about we change it to 'Until otherwise stated'

[Kacey]

As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.

As for my thoughs, I think the proof is in the pudding on this one. You have not changed.

Proof:
http://www.quantumimpulsegaming.com/banlist/index.php?p=banlist&hideinactive=false&searchText=STEAM_0:1:24770504
http://sv.noobonicplague.com/bans/
http://urbangamers.net/bans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A24770504&Submit=

One of those bans is before your ban from CG, but the other two are dated past. If you can't follow the rules on other servers, and couldn't follow the rules here, then are you truly going to follow them this time?

I believe the answer is No

I can't contest the Noobonic Plague ban, I haven't played there since GMOD 12 if my memory serves correctly.

Notice on QIG: one was unbanned, it was a misunderstanding, the cdm ban was an accidental cdm while driving too fast in city, and the most recent was because I was not shot first ( I knew for a fact he was going to kill me unless I squeezed).

And the other one is pointless to link as it was during my Minging phase.

One thing to consider: why would I I come back and go through all of this trouble just to get back on and minge again and permanently rebanned? That'd be pointless.

[HerpDerpMike]

I'm going to give my opinion again, because other facts were stating but I still stand my ground:

Kacey should be unbanned and given another chance, however someone watches him and make sure he doesn't break the rules.. I can also watch him because I'm on almost all the time.

[Obviously not Gopib]

One thing to consider: why would I I come back and go through all of this trouble just to get back on and minge again and permanently rebanned? That'd be pointless.

THIS.