Kacey

[oobla37]

I will say +1.
Put him on probation, that way we can see if he really changed.

I agree with the Pahro

+1

[Christovski]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope.avi

[theyankees213]

I will say +1.
Put him on probation, that way we can see if he really changed.

I agree with the Pahro

+1

[mjb627]

Is it me, or do I just have a feeling Kacey may end up like LilG. Other than that, a perma is a perma so I would have to say no.

[Dante]

I was going to say that we could always re-ban him if he does ANYTHING wrong, like with Remscar and a few others who were permad. But the mutilated dick picks? idk...

[Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!)]

First of all, stop fucking +/-1ing on threads that aren't admin applications, especially ban appeals. If you have something that will actually contribute to it, then post it, otherwise don't post. As for the actual appeal, you have one day to convince me that you're worth ANOTHER chance.

[Tictactoe360]

But the mutilated dick picks? idk...

If that was him, I say we just forums ban and nuke his account from orbit.

[Kwaurtz]

I say no, for the pure fact of how you are addressing people.

As someone who's been through a perma ban and back, I understand what its like and how it can be. I also understand the difference between someone who truly means to appeal, and someone who just cannot find another quality server like CG. I'm afraid you fall into this second category Kacey. Your quick snapbacks at members within the community when they posted their decision of you appealing do not indicate the actions of someone who is sorry and wants to make themselves a new image within CG. It shows that you really couldn't care, you just enjoyed playing on our servers and you can't find another like it.

[Christovski]

But the mutilated dick picks? idk...

If that was him, I say we just forums ban and nuke his account from orbit.

[Leetgrain]

But the mutilated dick picks? idk...

If that was him, I say we just forums ban and nuke his account from orbit.

[Kountd0wn]

I say no, for the pure fact of how you are addressing people.

As someone who's been through a perma ban and back, I understand what its like and how it can be. I also understand the difference between someone who truly means to appeal, and someone who just cannot find another quality server like CG. I'm afraid you fall into this second category Kacey. Your quick snapbacks at members within the community when they posted their decision of you appealing do not indicate the actions of someone who is sorry and wants to make themselves a new image within CG. It shows that you really couldn't care, you just enjoyed playing on our servers and you can't find another like it.

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[SkiesAhoy]

First of all, stop fucking +/-1ing on threads that aren't admin applications, especially ban appeals. If you have something that will actually contribute to it, then post it, otherwise don't post.

The double standard in terms of where he is banned and where he isn't confuses me. I was always of the opinion that a server wide permaban also warranted a forum wide permaban. Indeed, a CG wide ban, ventrilo/teamspeak servers included. That said, I'm uncertain about you Kasey, which makes me uncertain about certain methods CG employs.

To begin with, we have made permanent bans that can be appealed, thus destroying the concept of permanent. If anything, we should change the name, and promote permanent bans to an even further layer of punishment. In it's place, we should create a sort of full ban that can eventually be challenged, when enough time has passed. But the very fact that this discussion is taking place here and now demonstrates that nothing about permanent bans is, intrinsically and/or absolutely, permanent.
I tend to agree with giving people second chances. Kasey is young. Six months is a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if he has truly changed his ways. Assign an admin to him, a sort of babysitter (that shares his timezone) and force him to play only when this admin is playing too. If he demonstrates he can hold his shit together, he'd be a free man. A probation of sorts.

We are a gaming community guys, not a Penal Court. It really means nothing to us to provide this man with another chance. If he fucks up, obliterating his digital trace would be child's play. It could mean a lot to him, if he has truly changed his ways. That's my perspective in the matter.

[SkiesAhoy]

I tend to agree with giving people second chances. Kasey is young. Six months is a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if he has truly changed his ways. Assign an admin to him, a sort of babysitter (that shares his timezone) and force him to play only when this admin is playing too. If he demonstrates he can hold his shit together, he'd be a free man. A probation of sorts.

We are a gaming community guys, not a Penal Court. It really means nothing to us to provide this man with another chance. If he fucks up, obliterating his digital trace would be child's play. It could mean a lot to him, if he has truly changed his ways. That's my perspective in the matter.

Actually, that may not be the best idea. I haven't played with the guy once, but the testimony here seems to imply that he would start breaking the rules the second admins got off. Assigning an admin to him wouldn't be a very good test because he KNOWS he's being watched. If we let him back and he starts breaking rules while thinking admins aren't on, we have very diligent regulars who WILL report him.

True. But from personal experience, people tend to distort the truth in order to get what they want, and a lot of people don't want to see Kasey server live. An admin that is neutral on the issue to watch over him and file a report would be nice. We can then contrast that initial report to whatever the regulars say he does when an admin isn't on.

[Dante]

I tend to agree with giving people second chances. Kasey is young. Six months is a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if he has truly changed his ways. Assign an admin to him, a sort of babysitter (that shares his timezone) and force him to play only when this admin is playing too. If he demonstrates he can hold his shit together, he'd be a free man. A probation of sorts.

We are a gaming community guys, not a Penal Court. It really means nothing to us to provide this man with another chance. If he fucks up, obliterating his digital trace would be child's play. It could mean a lot to him, if he has truly changed his ways. That's my perspective in the matter.

Actually, that may not be the best idea. I haven't played with the guy once, but the testimony here seems to imply that he would start breaking the rules the second admins got off. Assigning an admin to him wouldn't be a very good test because he KNOWS he's being watched. If we let him back and he starts breaking rules while thinking admins aren't on, we have very diligent regulars who WILL report him.

True. But from personal experience, people tend to distort the truth in order to get what they want, and a lot of people don't want to see Kasey server live. An admin that is neutral on the issue to watch over him and file a report would be nice. We can then contrast that initial report to whatever the regulars say he does when an admin isn't on.

I can do that, I am indifferent to Casey. Never really played with him, he got permad when I was with ZM. I can also do such a thing undercover, since I change my name and pic constantly.

[crovv]

True. But from personal experience, people tend to distort the truth in order to get what they want, and a lot of people don't want to see Kasey server live. An admin that is neutral on the issue to watch over him and file a report would be nice. We can then contrast that initial report to whatever the regulars say he does when an admin isn't on.

I can do that, I am indifferent to Casey. Never really played with him, he got permad when I was with ZM. I can also do such a thing undercover, since I change my name and pic constantly.

Sounds like a best-of-both-worlds deal to me. An admin who's totally indifferent watching him while undercover. What does everyone think?

I think that if we are giving him another chance, this is the way to do it. I still don't know if we should, to be honest, but Skies' post was persuasive towards a second chance and I agree that we could always just perma him again with next to no harm done - only a server and forum wide ban this time.