RebelMaster

[Hair Slut]

In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.

This is ridulous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt?  Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.

i think what he means is because of the amount of bans snak has that he also be banned from servers, as he has been pbanned there multiple times as well

[Dante]

RebelMaster Is suppose to be Perma'd Comunity wide. He is able to join ttt because of an error/glitch. Just because an error/glitch lets him play again, should not clear him of all his bans.

[Kwaurtz]

Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.

Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.

Isn't anyone else slightly concerned about this post?

[Boxman]

Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.

Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.

Isn't anyone else slightly concerned about this post?

Kind of missed it..

[SkiesAhoy]

In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.

This is ridulous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt?  Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.

And yes, that would probably be the logical thing to do. You don't just permban somebody because "Oh dear, I felt like it today". For somebody to deserve a permaban he must have done something bad, really bad. It's illogical to have somebody banned on one sector of the community because he can't behave on it and then expect him to behave properly in another sector, specially considering that TTT, being one of the most admin demanding games that I know of, is much more likely to incite bad behavior from people. If he can't control himself in the forums, why on earth would he control himself in-game?
Viceversa, if he CAN control himself in-game, then why on earth wouldn't he behave in a similar fashion here?
I am by no means saying he should be pbanned. As a matter of fact, I support the motion of having him unbanned here. But if THAT should not be the case, I believe the ban should spread to the servers and vent as well.

[Dante]

Skiesky, its impossible to ban In Vent, if they make a new account(5 clicks) they can get right back in.

And Towersheep why are you telling him how to get around a ban?

[Lone Mudkips]

I am not sure if Rebel/Snak should be given another chance after reading all the posts about the damage he caused on CG and the TTT server. Especially with the three permabans he received by the community.

However, I remain neutral. Either I wasn't there or my memory is vague, my vote stands in the middle until then. 0+/-

[Leomire]

My 2 cents

I believe Rebelmaster should be unbanned. Why?
He is in fact a casual troll who does on occasion take things a bit far. But, when facing a troll you just stop feeding it and it will die. The same case occurs with Rebelmaster; he will in fact leave you alone after a while.

In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.

I Perma Banned Him.

Yeah you did in fact Perma-ban him, I was there for the whole thing. It was you who stepped out of line and unjustly permanently banned him. Letting fear get in the way of your job, you banned Rebel because you had truly believed he had done something he never even did. You left your full name on your steam page which was for full use of anyone. Rebel defeated you and you had banned him for it. In fear and defeat you had banned him,  that is why Wholegrain unbanned him after you banned him.

As for the others, I was not there and can not say what had occurred or if it was justified or not. But I do know for a fact the permanent ban from Doombringer was unjust.

[Blackllama]

In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.

This is ridiculous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt?  Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.

i think what he means is because of the amount of bans snak has that he also be banned from servers, as he has been pbanned there multiple times as well

It is still punishing someone for trying to appeal a ban.  Before this occurred nobody was trying to pban him for having too many bans.

RebelMaster Is suppose to be Perma'd Comunity wide. He is able to join ttt because of an error/glitch. Just because an error/glitch lets him play again, should not clear him of all his bans.

It was discussed and decided he would not be rebanned.  It is like an unban.

Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.

Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.

Isn't anyone else slightly concerned about this post?

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

[Boxman]

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.

[Dante]

@Leomire: So his constant harrassment, admin disrespect, Trolling, Releasing Private Information (I had set my Facebook to private) and several Rdms for a week strait did not warrant a perma?

And I know he fucked with my FB because it was originaly private, and suddenly was public, plus the fact he said himself he hacked it.

YOU leo were only there for the Last Straw.
I had already talked to Jorgen(only talked to him about Harrasment/trollig and to see if I could mute him.), Johny, Alzine and a few others before I permad him, Days in advanced.

[Kwaurtz]

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.

Obviously avoiding bans is okay, its not strictly in the rules. They arent there for any reason whatsoever.. Oh wait...

[Blackllama]

Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then.  Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule.  And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules.  This is my interpretation anyway.

Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.

I suppose it is.  But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.

I guess I worded that poorly.

[Hair Slut]

This entire thing seems really sketchy.

[Old Crow]

Alright here is my view of the issue.

I have been on the server quite a couple of times with Rebelmaster. It is true that maybe his more of a casual troll, but the key word is troll. We should not condone any kind of trolling on either the forums or the servers. The other day when he got pbanned, I myself was about to perma-mute him because he would not let a subject be dropped, constantly inquiring both me and Black about it. I think I muted and unmuted him about 5 times, told him to drop it, and he would for about 30 seconds then get back to questioning us. If it were a normal case he would be perma-muted most likely.

That being said, I am all for second chances. If Kwaurtz, Crypto got unbanned for the same reason, then I would say why not. I would like to make this clear however, as I have done my homework and read basically the entire drama train that these three had been part of. If things like that get started up again by the same people, I will be really disappointed. You gentlemen have a second chance, a new beginning if you will, show us that you deserved it, show us that this community is more important to you then any post, discussion or topic.

To quote Cadaver "give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves" It is something to keep in mind. Please do not disappoint the community.