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« on: June 17, 2013, 11:46:14 PM »
Frat, you have now convinced me that almost everything you are saying is a fabrication, or at the very least trying to sugarcoat it.
The sheer volume of contradictions in your posting is astounding.
I refuse to be moved by all the nicey nice talk, I vote the ban stays
Hi Christovski. Thanks for the prompt reply. I take your posts very seriously so I'd like to get to the bottom of this. What, specifically, in my post(s) do you view as a "fabrication" and where do you see me attempting to "sugarcoat" the situation? Furthermore, what contradictions do you see, in your view? I think I have already done a pretty good job of clearly outlining my point of view, but I will attempt to be concise and thorough here just to make sure we're all on the same page: - I did not and have not ever posted a pornographic spray.
- In the past, I have witnessed an admin TicTac doing certain minor things which I would probably characterize as "unprofessional." I mentioned this in my original post not as a knock against TicTac, but just to point out that my "abrasive personality" has come into conflict with certain administrators in the past, as several people have even pointed out in this thread. I have nothing against TicTac personally, I just think it's potentially relevant to this situation given that he's good friends with Death, and Death was always present when I criticized TicTac's job as a zombie master.
- To my knowledge I have not been warned, kicked, or gagged on ConjointGaming Zombie Master servers prior to this ban. I am being 100% sincere with this statement, though I will freely admit that it is possible that I have been warned for micspamming, as I do have HLDJ and occasionally play music for people (though I am respectful of admin decisions and will stop playing if someone asks me to). In any case, I have not been warned for having a toxic attitude.
- Regardless of whether or not I was warned several days ago for something like micspamming music via HLDJ, for example, in this particular instance I was not kicked, warned, or otherwise messaged by any admin regarding my statements. Ask Death if you dispute this point, but this is 100%, unequivocally true. If Death had simply explained the situation, or said "hey Fratricide, don't do that" or whatever, I would have willingly obliged.
- Given the bolded point above, I don't understand how my one week ban is proportionate to whatever it is that I "did" (which I am still unsure of!).
I'm not trying to sugarcoat anything, or mislead anyone, or lie, or weasel my way out of anything. If you find something wrong with any of the above bullets, let me know. I have tried to be courteous throughout this process, but I apologize if that comes off as insincere somehow. To be quite honest, I am at a loss as to why I was banned! As always, let me know what you think, and have a nice day. Thanks, Fratricide EDIT: Thanks again for your thoughts Mr_rainbow. However, as Death has pointed out several times before, I think it's best if this thread is limited to the parties involved in this exchange (specifically myself, Death, and other ConjointGaming administrators). I respect your view but I think you've already expressed them in multiple posts.
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« on: June 17, 2013, 11:36:23 PM »
Using a thesaurus won't make your claims any less full of nonsense. We have multiple server admins and even a non-admin witness posting to verify either past or present issues with you. Also, I have muted you myself in the past for sound-clip trolling via micspam.
My suggested action for Inject is to have Frat wait it out like anyone else who breaks the rules.
Hi otterfiend. Thanks for the prompt reply. I have, I think, been courteous and respectful throughout this entire exchange so I'm not sure why you see fit to insert a character attack in your response? If you take issue with my diction or think I am somehow confusing things, feel free to let me know. If you think my claims are "full of nonsense", I would be happy to hear your point of view. I think my posts have described my point of view fairly well, but if there is some specific point you're hung up on, don't hesitate to point it out! The reason I take issue with these "multiple server admins and even a non-admin witness" is that (a) the admin witnesses often seem to be confused as to my identity or what I did to get banned and (b) the "non-admin witness" also seems to be confused regarding the context for my ban, as I was definitely not warned in this specific case (and that's something I'm sure Death will agree with, even if he says that I was warned days before). Just to reiterate, I was ostensibly banned for the following two comments made immediately upon joining the server: "who cares about a porn spray really" and "why do admins get so butthurt about porn sprays? do they fear the naked female body that much?". I thought from the context it would be clear that those comments were jokingly poking fun and not the product of some sort of toxic "attitude". However, since that is apparently not the case I have apologized personally to the admin that banned me, Death, for any offense those comments may have caused him. So, all in all, I'm just a bit confused as to how those two seemingly innocuous comments could be construed as some sort of negative/confrontational attitude, especially given that I was not warned in this situation (whether or not I was warned several days prior to this for allegedly "micspamming" etc. is irrelevant to this situation, I think. What is at stake is the nature of the comments I made.) Let me know what you think, and have a nice day. Thanks, Fratricide
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« on: June 17, 2013, 10:32:08 PM »
I also do not appreciate you attempting to blame some things on Tictac, who as far as I know has nothing to do with this ban.
Tictac kicked the beastiality/underage sprayer.
I'd also like to request you to not lie in your ban appeal thread; While I understand you may be stating a week is harsh, lying will just make it look worse on you. You have been warned previous, there is a post that even states that you have been warned, kicked, and muted, before this incident.
Thorax, Otterfiend, Raunky, Christovski, and I, have all stated we have warned you in the past. And not only do I say that Admin Chat warnings were given, I believe vocal warnings over microphone were given as well.
Edit: If you'd like to take up an admin abuse thread, please provide evidence as well. As far as I can tell, Tictac/Thorax has not kicked anyone at random, nor has he been verbally abusing players. It's possible he was making joking comments torwards me, though. That is common.
Hi Death. Thanks for the prompt reply. I can honestly state that I have not lied once in this entire exchange. As I say, to my knowledge I have not been kicked or gagged from ConjointGaming Zombie Master servers. I suppose it is possible that this is not the case (as you say there is some information which states otherwise), but if that is so I really am at a loss to explain that as I cannot honestly recall any such incidents. I'm no fool and I realize how fruitless it would be to lie to administrators! Raunky claims that a warning was given in this particular case (i.e. right before I was banned), which I hope you will agree is 100% false. A warning may have been given more than three days prior to my banning, as you state (which I dispute), but no warnings were given in this case. I think you'll agree that Raunky is mistaken about this, no? I also think Christovski and perhaps other administrators are mistaken about my identity. Many seem to be claiming that it was I that sprayed something pornographic, which is simply not the case. So everyone reading and responding to this is clear: I was banned for jokingly suggesting that spraying pornography in an online game isn't such a big deal. I have created this ban appeal thread simply because I do not feel, given the context that I and others have provided in this thread, that an instantaneous ban for an entire week is proportional. Let me know what you think, and have a nice day.
Just want to say, I was there, Fratricide was given warnings, ignored them, and was banned.
He was also warned using the admin chat functions, which don't show up in console logs.
Hi Raunky. I don't remember seeing you ingame at the time that I was banned. I also will say that your claims are a complete fabrication, and even Death will agree (I would hope) that admin chat functions were not used to warn me in this instance. Have a nice day.
I hop between a lot of different names in ZM.
I'm not lying to try to get you banned because I don't like you, I don't have anything personal against you. I'm just telling everyone what I recalled happened.
Hi Raunky. So, you maintain that at around 3:10 PM EST on 6/17, you witnessed an admin give some sort of warning (be it through mic or admin text, etc.) towards a user named "Fratricide" concerning his "attitude"? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. It was my understanding that you sprayed the spray in question, if you were still giving the admins a hard time I think you deserve a time out, but I don't know what the appropriate duration would be, at least a day or three because this has happened before.
In the past you have been muted for spamming sound clips through voice chat (HLSS, HLDJ, or whatever) and you responded by berating the admin for muting you, another time you were arguing against the rules/admin for punishing someone (may have been you or another I forget the full details) but you have been anti-rules in my experience
You have also said some things in your ban appeal here, in your first few posts, that I believe are either lies or ignorance (for example that you got no warnings)
So you have not exactly been on your best behavior, and you have been punished for it. I believe you deserve a ban, however I am not 100% sure you deserve a full week since I wasn't there when you were banned, so I can't make that judgement. I also do not appreciate you attempting to blame some things on Tictac, who as far as I know has nothing to do with this ban.
Hi Christovski. Thanks for the prompt reply. I think you may have my identity confused with another player(s). For example, I have never sprayed anything pornographic. My one week ban was ostensibly for jokingly suggesting that the spraying of something pornographic isn't such a huge deal. Of course at the time I did not realize that the spray in question was of beastiality! As for the claims that I have lied in this thread: my overarching point here is that to my knowledge I was not given any warnings concerning my "attitude" towards the admins. Moreover, even if I were given such a warning, as Death claims, that warning would have been given over three days prior to my ban. Ostensibly, I was banned instantaneously for making two innocuous comments that rubbed Death the wrong way. As I've said before, I personally apologize to Death for any offense he may have taken at these statements; I certainly did not intend for them to incite trouble or cause problems for any members of the staff at ConjointGaming. As I have said before, I will be the first to admit that I can be abrasive at times (but who can't, really?)! However, I think given the context that I and others have provided in this thread concerning my ban, a week is not really proportionate to what (if anything) I "did". Let me know what you think, and have a nice day. Thanks, Fratricide
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« on: June 17, 2013, 07:05:41 PM »
This guy has been muted and kicked a few times for trolling, mic-spamming, as well as trying to rally players against the admins over rules he doesn't like, and is already on the "players to watch for" thread in the admin section from previous offenses.
The server announcements list the rules, and definitely say no pornography is allowed, plus the MOTD that pops up when anyone joins shows our full list of rules, if he ignores the MOTD and the announcements in chat that say its not allowed, we STILL from time to time say that it is prohibited, AND the spray remover plugin warns the player whenever their spray is removed.
Fratricide is problematic, and I don't believe most of the stuff he claims Tictac did, the only time I've seen tic slapping people for "no reason" is when they are afk otherwise there are reasons for punishment.
I've only seen tic kick and ban people very rarely, and it was always due to blatant disregard for the rules, or heavy trolling.
Also, if everyone would read, he was banned by DEATH, not Tictac!
edit: added rules info
Hi Christovski. Thanks for the prompt reply. I really am curious: what "previous offenses" am I on "watch" for? I know I sometimes have an abrasive personality, but so do a lot of other players (admins included!) and I do respect the rules of the server. If you could provide an instance of me being kicked or warned for trolling or mic-spamming, that would be great, because I can honestly say that I do not recall that ever happening to me on any ConjointGaming servers. If you'll notice, I never sprayed any pornography, nor did I even advocate for others that did spray pornography. I just made two light-hearted comments remarking on how not-so-serious spraying pornography in an online video game is. I did not realize at the time the nature of the spray (someone later informed me it was beastiality, which is really disgusting), of course. To Rainbow: Please leave this to the parties involved, also, there are no Zombie Master Head Admins.
To Fratricide: You have been warned previous, gagged, and kicked, actually, for your attitude torwards the Zombie Master admins. It was more than three days ago, however it still warrants as a warn. I am not sure how you have forgotten this.
Hi Death. Thanks for the prompt reply. I don't think I've ever actually been gagged or kicked because of any perceived attitude; are you sure you're thinking of the right person? Even if I were gagged previously because of any perceived attitude, I really don't think an instant ban "more than three days later" (as you claim) is warranted in this situation, given my two relatively innocuous comments. Let me know what you think, and have a nice day. Just want to say, I was there, Fratricide was given warnings, ignored them, and was banned.
He was also warned using the admin chat functions, which don't show up in console logs.
Hi Raunky. I don't remember seeing you ingame at the time that I was banned. I also will say that your claims are a complete fabrication, and even Death will agree (I would hope) that admin chat functions were not used to warn me in this instance. Have a nice day. To all parties involved: Look, I will be the first to tell you that I have an abrasive personality. Maybe sometimes that can be construed as having an "attitude". However I have not done anything against any of the rules of ConjointGaming servers, and I don't mean I just haven't violated any specific rules. It is my belief that none of my actions go against the spirit of the rules either. My two comments in this case ("who cares about a porn spray really" and "why do admins get so butthurt about porn sprays? do they fear the naked female body that much?") were meant only as light-hearted jests, though I can see how an admin may have interpreted them as a personal affront (specifically the latter comment). For that I would like to apologize, personally, to Death and to any others online at the time who were involved in my ban. I hope that you can see that my actions and comments were not intended to disrupt the community and that my ban, given this context, is disproportionate. Thanks, Fratricide
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« on: June 17, 2013, 05:57:31 PM »
This is a ban appeal, not a admin abuse thread. He's trying to take the attention off of him and turn it on tic. (What I think)
Hi Mr_Rainbow. Thanks for your thoughts. I am not trying to "take the attention off of" myself as you maintain, just adding a bit of context to my ban. But thank you for the suggestion, I agree that ultimately it is not germane to this subforum; perhaps it will be better if I put my concerns about "TicTac"'s adminship in a separately created admin abuse thread in that subforum. You were banned by me for a week. You have been warned in the previous to stop harassing the admins, and you failed to cease to, apparently. You had warnings in the past; you just chose to ignore them.
Edit: Also, you stated you have never been kicked or punished from the server; while it is quite the reverse.
Hi Death. Thanks for the prompt reply. I have never been warned in the past, to my knowledge, to stop "harassing the admins." I recall being labeled a "troll" about a week ago because I voted for a map TicTac considered to be a bad ZM map in a map vote, but other than that I honestly do not recall ever having been warned. If you think otherwise I would be very interested in hearing! I'm also not entirely sure how my two (two!) comments upon joining the server constitute "admin harassment". Perhaps I am unclear on the rules for ConjointGaming's ZM servers, but I do not feel that my comments fall within any definition of harassment. As I conceded in my original post, I do agree that I was perhaps being abrasive but I hardly think it was grounds for an immediate ban without a warning, kick, etc. If you feel that I am not providing all of the context for the situation which may perhaps justify my ban, I would invite you now to provide any such context. Hello sweetie, good to see you here.
Now let's break down your little post.
"Specifically, an admin named "Thorax" (aka "TicTac") is often on late at night doing things like slapping around random people (who are not afk or doing anything bad)"
Now, first off. The only person I slap is myself and even then, that's only when the server consists purely of admins and I do so to kill myself.
" kicking random users" I only kick for inappropriate sprays and long term AFK's. Though I'll assume this is a mistake as when I use the spray removal command the warning can only be seen by those being warned, not the entire server.
"harrassing users" Oh are you talking about when you and your "Sophisticated" friend started stating "U mad" because I had more than 5 hulks so I asked you to stop acting like an Ass?
"On more than one occasion when he is chosen as the zombie master he will spam a huge number of hulks (something generally looked down upon in the ZM community because of their overpoweredness in large numbers, to the point that it essentially breaks the map)"
Oh, so you mean that one time on Bastard when at 3AM I decided to use all my resources to hidden spawn an army of shamblers? I thought it was a pretty unique way to win the map as ZM
"and then swearing at anyone that dares accuse him of spamming." Well now that's just a lie.
Seeing as I call other people out when they're spamming.
Hi TicTac. Thanks for the prompt reply. As Mr_Rainbow has pointed out my specific grievances with you aren't entirely germane to this thread, so I think it may be better to have this conversation in the admin abuse subforum, or perhaps even in private correspondence. Let me know what you think, and have a nice day. ALSO: Your steamid is not that, but a number, which can be found by typing 'status' in console when in a multiplayer server and finding your name.
to make it easier for you, your SteamID is STEAM_0:0:14656550
Hi Leetgrain. Thanks for the advice; I have edited my original post with my SteamID. Have a nice day. Thanks, Fratricide
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« on: June 17, 2013, 05:31:11 PM »
Who were you banned by: Unknown Why were you banned: Unknown What server where you banned from: Zombie Master 1.2.1 What date and/or time around were you banned: 6/17 at approximately 3:10 PM EST Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:14656550 Your in game name: Fratricide Link to your steam page: http://steamcommunity.com/id/adhavocAdditional comments: Here is the verbatim console log from when I was banned: Rick Hickory (The Deputy): admiral got banned for a week
Athena: 4.
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): because he put porn
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): on spray
Athena: timeleft
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): and he was warned
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): like 2 times
max: 3
The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : What was the porn?
Fratricide: who cares about a porn spray really
Epic zombie king: porn seems to appear everywhere in zm
The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : Have you got the link?
Fratricide: why do admins get so butthurt about porn sprays? do they fear the naked female body that much?
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): -.-
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): Sonic
The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : :D
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): stop asking me for porn
The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : :c
Dan: did you see what it was? it was disgusting - if it's no big deal then don't spray it
Hermes: So Frat, you want to look at a girl getting fucked by a dog?
Rick Hickory (The Deputy): search it up yourself
The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : No I didn't see
couldn't exec survivor.cfg
Disconnect: You have been banned by this server, check http://www.conjointgaming.com/ for more info.I was given 0 warnings nor any indication that I had or have done anything wrong or against the rules of the server. I play on ConjointGaming servers quite often, and am intimately familiar with their rules and procedures. Was I being direct and maybe out of line? Maybe. But I don't think anything I said justified being instantly banned without any prior warning. Indeed, I have never been kicked or even warned from this server ever prior to this ban. I would like to note that this is not the first time I have experienced arbitrariness from ConjointGaming's admins on the Zombie Master 1.2.1 server. Specifically, an admin named "Thorax" (aka "TicTac") is often on late at night doing things like slapping around random people (who are not afk or doing anything bad), kicking random users, verbally harrassing users, etc. On more than one occasion when he is chosen as the zombie master he will spam a huge number of hulks (something generally looked down upon in the ZM community because of their overpoweredness in large numbers, to the point that it essentially breaks the map) and then swearing at anyone that dares accuse him of spamming. He has justified it by claiming he has been "bored" or "upset" in real life. Altogether not a very professional admin.
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« on: June 19, 2011, 08:09:22 PM »
Well Arby is the HA for the ZM server
Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't give him the right to abuse his powers.
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« on: June 19, 2011, 07:38:05 PM »
Admin who is suspected of the abuse:
xXarby
In which server did the abuse occur?:
ZM ConjointGaming server
What occurred, what did the abuse consist of:
The admin repeatedly muted people and then proceeded to micspam his own music, not stopping when others asked him to. The admin also killed a player for standing in a doorway (accidentally blocking players) with no warning, and then subsequently gagged and muted that player in chat.
What time and day did it happen (put down your time zone too):
~5:20PM EST (GMT-6)
Additional comments:
I have seen this admin abuse a lot on this server, and I think most of it goes unreported because of the hassle that is involved with registering on this site, posting a new topic, etc. However, on the whole, a huge amount of admin abuse occurs on ZM servers, and it's part of the reason the ZM userbase is continuously decreasing in number. I just wanted to let the proprietors of the server know what was going on.
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