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« on: November 23, 2010, 05:31:50 AM »
Generalizations are sometimes correct. For example, saying all black people have the greasiest hair when not washed for a day. That is an actual true statement as well as a generalization. To compare generalizing to stupid is a generalization in itself.
If you compare discussing in a debate thread forcing something on someone then tell that to the Jewish people enslaved in ancient Egypt for thousands of years. That is forcing something on someone. Words and no more than words. Turning the other cheek refers to not seeking out vengeance to whomever it may concern. Debating with words has nothing to do with violence of and offense of the sort.
Why the rush to end this thread? If you don't wish to see it that much you don't have to keep coming back. It's your option to click the link.
I just came in my pants. What a racist comment. LOL
Actually that isn't racist at all. Racism is hatred to another race. Races have obvious differences, I am simply point out a racial difference. It's called fact. Now if said all black people are nig nags (you know the word) who would be shot and killed then I would be racist. lol i showed it to my black friends and they want to hurt u but they cant work a computer LOL
Oh no, assault over the computer... black people act like such victims when: 1) Black people sold black slaves to white man. 2) The confederate flag was only hung for 4 years during slavery, the remainer of the 100-200 years had the united states flag. 3) They act as if being slaves for 200 years is oppression. In reality they have no room to complain compared to the jews who were enslaved thousands of years, built the pyramids, and were murdered in WWII. But nope, picking cotton for 200 years is such a horrible thing. 4) Most black people alive who complain about black oppression didn't even experience it. There are those alive who have, they have the right to be upset, however, the younger generation needs to move on instead of smoking pot and dwelling on hatred from a time which they never experienced. Tell them to go cry more.  "ya hurd me?" lol... so dumb. anyway back on track: So... now this thread is about generalization?
Can you guys please stop arguing? There's no real point in arguing over such strong matters, each side is just too stubborn to be persuaded otherwise.
Just agree to disagree, we'll all die one day anyway, so who really cares who's right or not.
kthxbai,loveulongtiem<3xoxoxo.
Well actually if you die one day and you are wrong about God and suffer the consequence I do believe you will care. I think it's way to risky to not believe in God personally. Eternal suffering doesn't sound to appealing.
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« on: November 22, 2010, 08:32:36 AM »
are we really discussing close mindedness now?
I am sorry to say we can't say anything is close minded my dear boy, because that is like saying all afro americans are stupid, or like me saying religion is close minded. but i won't cus it is generalist and stupid-.-
besides, lets leave the bickering it has come down to nothing but forcing things upon eachother, one slinging shit the next only to get shit back. even though i would think the christians should have been better at this than us, seeing that dirtylaundry sais we are non believers because we are afraid of being punished.... lets just say "turn the other cheek" trololololololol hohohoho.
anyways this is not hardly a serious debate anymore-.- please just stop further embarasment and take a chill pill and let this thread lonely die.
Generalizations are sometimes correct. For example, saying all black people have the greasiest hair when not washed for a day. That is an actual true statement as well as a generalization. To compare generalizing to stupid is a generalization in itself. If you compare discussing in a debate thread forcing something on someone then tell that to the Jewish people enslaved in ancient Egypt for thousands of years. That is forcing something on someone. Words and no more than words. Turning the other cheek refers to not seeking out vengeance to whomever it may concern. Debating with words has nothing to do with violence of and offense of the sort. Why the rush to end this thread? If you don't wish to see it that much you don't have to keep coming back. It's your option to click the link.
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« on: November 22, 2010, 02:35:01 AM »
Well God was created from nothing and unless you can time travel you cannot tell us if the bible is true.
Besides you are being a closed minded christian who is reluctant to accept peoples opinions and scientific facts.
I have nothing against Religion it is just annoying to see a Closed minded religous person attacking closed minded atheists.
Let people belive what they want to belive rather than simply sniping at those who dont follow your beliefs.
I wish people would understand this and let this thread die.
What fact? It's already been established that theories are not fact. Science is simply an attempt to answer questions. The only fact is that science is unable to prove or disprove God thus it puts aside the possibility of God existing due to it's flawed man-made system. I never said anywhere that you have to believe what I believe. I am simply conveying a thought process in reaction to what information/argument is presented before me. You brought up time, interesting thing really, a good debate idea. Here is some logical thinking about time vs God through a mathematical thought process instead of science: This unit you call time is also made by man. It is a measurement, nothing more, nothing less. The idea of time limits the brain's comprehension and is only used to help explain situations or calculate distance/velocity. To man, there is a beginning and an end. In a mathematical viewpoint, there is no start or finish unless otherwise defined. Everything falls between infinity and negative infinity. The universe is said to be ever expanding to negative infinity to positive infinity. Keep in mind that infinity is impossible to comprehend. Now since time is man made, God is not bound by such a thing. Since everything falls in between negative infinity and infinity: let; negative infinity = past = a; infinity = future = b; 0 (origin) = present = c; God = x Since God is omnipresent. Not only is He everywhere, He is every 'time' as well. So with the given info, this can be stated: [!= means not equal] x = a x = b x = c a != b b != c a != c Now this does not make any mathematical sense. For it to make sense it would have to be: x = a = b= 0 [God equals Past equals Present equals Future] which is mathematically wrong.. or x != a != b !=0 [God does not equal Past does not equal Present does not equal Future] Mathematically this is correct, however, it does not meet the conditions of God. It can be concluded that: 1) Math as is, which knows no limits, cannot explain God's omnipresence. 2) God is able to do the mathematically impossible by being both equal to and not equal to something at the same time. 3) Time cannot limit God. I would go more into this thought process but I'm exhausted. x-x
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« on: November 22, 2010, 12:21:51 AM »
I like being a christian kthxbai
Same here, it's much better than being a close minded atheist who is reluctant to accept written facts as well as have a logical answer to the existence of humanity instead of being a fool who believes that nothing created everything. Ah well, death is the ultimate truth teller. Non-believers may have many laughs, but believers get the last laugh. 
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« on: November 21, 2010, 06:17:30 PM »
Adv dupe comes with wiremod svn. The server already has it so you don't need to worry. If ULX or ASS_mod is used then there is a function that says 'admin_has_no_limits.' When you set that to 1, you can spawn how ever many of anything that you want. Of course it should be used in moderation so the server doesn't crash.
If you need e2 help, my non-auto gunshop (http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=108075) has 2 e2 chips out in the open which can help you with console screens, using strings to change text screens, using rangers, and playing music on an e2 chip.
Everything in my profile using e2 and is pretty simple to understand once you examine it. I'd suggest looking at whack-a-bottle's (http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=99230) e2 chip. It's invisible on the inside.
+2 Holy  anyways I dont play on learning E2 cuz im a **** and thats wut we do and stuff  but i haz some fun things i would like to use to screw with people with ya know? like spybots and what not.
I'd suggest looking over something called revan's tutorials. http://www.wiremod.com/forum/expression-2-discussion-help/22593-e2-all-about-tutorials-links-them-tips-making-them.html
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« on: November 21, 2010, 06:08:30 PM »
Still, it's not really relevant to most debates, this one included.
It's only not relevant because you know he is right.  Typed out a long response to Holy's rebuttal. Thought I submitted it. Guess not. Summary form: Holy, I'm talking about scientific theories. You are simply wrong to resort to your precious Dictionary.com (an unreliable source across the board, let alone with respect to science) for some pathetic semantic argument. The rest of your post (unverifiable personal anecdotes—have you seen a psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist, by the way?—and ad hominem attacks unaccompanied by logical counterpoints to my case) is not relevant to the debate. Good job completely ignoring my refutation of your argument that the limits of our scientific knowledge demonstrate God's existence.
Before claiming that I have no idea what science is, you should look into it yourself my hypocritical friend. ^_^ Actually better yet, why don't you start going to college where you start learning real science little one. Thanks for the irrational cheap shot but I'm going to one of the best colleges in the country, ranked first in best value by the Princeton Review in 2005. Only a rudimentary, not college-level, understanding of science is necessary for this debate. Note that you did not actually revise my description of science here; you implied my description was incorrect without pointing out what exactly was incorrect. Poor form. You can do better.
Well, I take back that last sentence. As someone who claims to have confronted demons and witnessed exorcism and spoken gibberish in Tongues and all that, maybe you can't.
Once again, you are blindly and illogically subscribing to an untested (and currently untestable) hypothesis. Until you provide a compelling logical case for the existence of God, you are not worth taking seriously.
Dictionaries don't lie, unlike theories they are fact. Words ABSOLUTE definition. To use a dictionary in a debate is like using a proof in mathematics, it's undeniable support showing my point the be more valid. To go against what is absolute fact is a fool's game. You are only 18 years old, so what are you, a freshman in college? Big deal, I am a Junior and been to way more sciences classes than you as required for my major. 2-3 years is a big difference when it comes to education. Also, I don't care if your college is the best in the world, that doesn't mean you are any more or less intelligent than you would be going to a rat hole college. If you really want to compare colleges I go to UNO which has the BEST (that's right, #1) biology program in the country. You may only need a basic understanding of science for this debate, that doesn't mean that a better understanding won't help. I think you are just saying that as an excuse for your level of education on the matter. If you read my whole post carefully you will see what I had wrong with your description of science. As much as I love getting into personal detail, this isn't religion, so I am stopping there. In fact, if you can't take me seriously then it is also a waste of my energy to move my fingers to continue to reply to you little one. Have the last word if it makes you feel better. I won't even bother to read it. Easy answer really to why I picked Christianity:
-As I said before, my grandfather, a catholic, was cured of sleep apnea.
-I have been attacked and paralyzed by demons twice before.
-One night my mother prayed i'd get a job, next morning two different companies that i sent resumes to months ago sent me mail to be interviewed. I started working the following week.
-I've witnessed possession and exorcism.
-I have spoken to 4 different demons in one of my possessed friends who showed, by personality, to be 4 completely different beings.
-I've spoken in tongues while being full of the Holy Spirit. Not aware of that I was doing so.
-Upon praising and thanking Jesus I know that angels are around me even as I type this. I feel them touch me as chills go down my spine, even when it is hot in my house.
-A lady at my mother's work (my mother being a nurse) died for a few minutes, the lady was normally a well tempered woman. The doctor my mom's boss is friends with managed to save her life. Upon coming back she was furious and demanded he send her back right now and that it was the most beautiful place she had ever been.
-I've seen a bible verse in one of my dreams that i've never seen. When I woke up, I looked for it and found it word for word in my dream.
There are more experiences i've had, however, that should be enough to make the point. I've experienced all that following God, not some fictional spaghetti monster or other false deity.
Before claiming that I have no idea what science is, you should look into it yourself my hypocritical friend. ^_^ Actually better yet, why don't you start going to college where you start learning real science little one.
I lol'd......HARD
Trololol, it is quite funny.
Well the bible does say not to cast pearls in front of swine less they turn and snap back. Another truth to the bible.
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« on: November 20, 2010, 04:11:21 AM »
I got bored so I decided to make these. If you like them feel free to use them.
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« on: November 20, 2010, 03:25:23 AM »
1) I don't see how I proved anything of yours.
2) This thread wasn't made for you. The topic is religion is a very general topic, to narrow it down to what you want to talk about only is selfish.
3) We aren't fighting we are debating.
4) This is the internet not a Domestic area.
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« on: November 20, 2010, 01:58:27 AM »
ya it's sad when the past can't just be left to lie in peace...
We would have nothing to learn from then. The past is a valuable resource. besides it all depeds on if it is a new theory or an old one, but a scientific theory can't get beyond the name theory, it can only get more hypthesises that either disprove or prove said theory. it is like evolution, it ain't gonna get past the theory part, but it is still next to fact.
The only things absolute in science are laws and mathematical theorems. Theories can get close to but never reach absolute fact. Laws, however, are facts which all things must follow. The definition given in college about theories is that they must be both testable and falsifiable (which means able to be proven wrong.) Something that can be proven wrong is simply not 100% fact. It may be close like you said, but it is not. Now the Defientition we wish to examine closer is the second one which is, Any war carried out under Papal sanction. Also The first Defenition explains what I was just talking about. But like I said earlier, this debate has run it's course and has now run down into people bickering about what they said and why they said it. So I would like an admin once again, Please lock the thread and end this debate which hath outlived it's life.
This thread is about religious debate, I see no derailment from the original topic. Religion will never die out in the world of debate so I see no reason to lock this. The Crusades are an iffy topic. I think it is a just cause to take back the Holy land if others are soiling it with blasphemy as well as disrespecting it. There may have been a better way to do it. Eh, in the end no one knows the whole story. With the victor goes the spoils as well as says how history will be written.
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« on: November 20, 2010, 12:28:06 AM »
Come to think of it, not on only is your stance an illogical preference, but inductive reasoning says that it's extremely unlikely that God and not science is the correct explanation.
You don't actually know if it is real or not, you simply assume so you can be content with yourself, thinking you have found an answer. Standard procedure—and by golly is this a shocker!—is to disbelieve something that you don't know is real. Answer me this, Holy: Why do you believe in the Christian God instead of Allah or karma or nature spirits or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other deity or supernatural force that's ever been dreamed up in the two hundred thousand years since anatomically modern humans showed up?
And it's ridiculously hypocritical and irrational to moronic proportions that people who have blind faith in something, by definition being unable to prove it, expect people who do not have blind faith to prove them wrong. Guess what, fuckers: A theory is impossible to disprove until it is proven. You have a hypothesis (untested and unproven), not a theory (proven). We have no obligation whatsoever to ignore your randomly preferred superstitions.
Easy answer really to why I picked Christianity: -As I said before, my grandfather, a catholic, was cured of sleep apnea. -I have been attacked and paralyzed by demons twice before. -One night my mother prayed i'd get a job, next morning two different companies that i sent resumes to months ago sent me mail to be interviewed. I started working the following week. -I've witnessed possession and exorcism. -I have spoken to 4 different demons in one of my possessed friends who showed, by personality, to be 4 completely different beings. -I've spoken in tongues while being full of the Holy Spirit. Not aware of that I was doing so. -Upon praising and thanking Jesus I know that angels are around me even as I type this. I feel them touch me as chills go down my spine, even when it is hot in my house. -A lady at my mother's work (my mother being a nurse) died for a few minutes, the lady was normally a well tempered woman. The doctor my mom's boss is friends with managed to save her life. Upon coming back she was furious and demanded he send her back right now and that it was the most beautiful place she had ever been. -I've seen a bible verse in one of my dreams that i've never seen. When I woke up, I looked for it and found it word for word in my dream. There are more experiences i've had, however, that should be enough to make the point. I've experienced all that following God, not some fictional spaghetti monster or other false deity. You don't seem to know what a theory is. So here is the definition from dictionary.com. Look at definition 2. the·o·ry
/ˈθiəri, ˈθɪəri/ Show Spelled[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ries.
1.
a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2.
a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3.
Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4.
the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5.
a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6.
contemplation or speculation.
7.
guess or conjecture.
As you can see, theories are not absolute fact as you make them appear to be in your post. Theories can be disproven at any time. M-string theory, for example, is no exception to this rule. In the video posted on page 10 of this thread the people who are researching it even say that it can lead to a dead end. Science defines theories to be capable of being disproven so blind fools don't go around saying things that aren't necessarily true. Before claiming that I have no idea what science is, you should look into it yourself my hypocritical friend. ^_^ Actually better yet, why don't you start going to college where you start learning real science little one.
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« on: November 19, 2010, 04:19:46 PM »
Adv dupe comes with wiremod svn. The server already has it so you don't need to worry. If ULX or ASS_mod is used then there is a function that says 'admin_has_no_limits.' When you set that to 1, you can spawn how ever many of anything that you want. Of course it should be used in moderation so the server doesn't crash. If you need e2 help, my non-auto gunshop ( http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=108075) has 2 e2 chips out in the open which can help you with console screens, using strings to change text screens, using rangers, and playing music on an e2 chip. Everything in my profile using e2 and is pretty simple to understand once you examine it. I'd suggest looking at whack-a-bottle's ( http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?a=view&id=99230) e2 chip. It's invisible on the inside.
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« on: November 19, 2010, 08:40:58 AM »
Atheism never said anything about matter spontaniously coming out of nowhere, it simply sais energy has always existed much like your god has always existed, and that matter is created out from energy given what einstein proved trough mathematics.
this is what some of us believe.
besides I hate both kinds of people in this thread, honestly why do any off you need to push your beliefs on the other?
so people rather than taking jabs a eachother take a chill pill and relax
I never said anything about atheism and the big bang theory... paragraphs are for separating ideas, which is why atheism is in one paragraph and science + big bang is in the other paragraph. Assumptions = bad. Also, this is a debate thread, no one is pushing anything on anyone. If you are going to be Mr. Sensitive about the subject then this isn't your place to post. YAAAY for a logical mind =D
but i did somewhat explain the begining of life in my other post. it is just incomplete ofcourse, seeing that m-theory is a begining theory of everything.
I am neither in no way trying to force this upon you i am just trying to counterbalace the last of what holy said, which was in basics "science shut the fuck upp, i have religion" which is not debating it is claiming.
Actually this is what debate means: de·bate
/dɪˈbeɪt/ Show Spelled [dih-beyt] Show IPA noun, verb, -bat·ed, -bat·ing.
–noun
1.
a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
2.
a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
3.
deliberation; consideration.
4.
Archaic . strife; contention.
–verb (used without object)
5.
to engage in argument or discussion, as in a legislative or public assembly: When we left, the men were still debating.
6.
to participate in a formal debate.
7.
to deliberate; consider: I debated with myself whether to tell them the truth or not.
8.
Obsolete . to fight; quarrel.
–verb (used with object)
9.
to argue or discuss (a question, issue, or the like), as in a legislative or public assembly: They debated the matter of free will.
10.
to dispute or disagree about: The homeowners debated the value of a road on the island.
11.
to engage in formal argumentation or disputation with (another person, group, etc.): Jones will debate Smith. Harvard will debate Princeton.
12.
to deliberate upon; consider: He debated his decision in the matter.
13.
Archaic . to contend for or over.
You made a fail attempt to summarize what I said. The proper summary would be "Most self-proclaimed atheists are posers trying to fit in with other poser atheists. God as a creator makes more sense than nothing creating everything. Science can't explain everything and is naive to attempt such a feat." I am voicing a proposal of what I know as well as believe. That is debate. It's very closed minded of you to consider only people who agree with what you agree with logical. M-string theory could potentially be correct, however, there is no substantial evidence to support or contest it. In this instance it should not be discounted. In the same respect, God should has no substantial evidence to support or contest Him other than the bible. This being said, God should not be discounted. It is closed-minded to discount anything without proof.
I have nothing to religion, But a JEZUS camp? you with all those kids getting their brains washed. Or that if you belive in god, your hip WIL INSTANT heal... all that is complete BULLSHIT.
Perfect example of closed-minded mentality. You don't actually know if it is real or not, you simply assume so you can be content with yourself, thinking you have found an answer. There is most definitely a possibility of injures being healed. My grandfather had sleep apnea. Those of intelligence would know that medical science would claim that "had sleep apnea" is impossible since it is for life. My grandfather suffered from sleep apnea for his whole life and one night stopped breathing in his sleep. He felt himself shaking, however my grandmother claims his body was still the whole time as she was pounding on his chest for dear life to save him. As my grandfather was dying, he saw himself ascend 30 feet over his house, through roof and all. He felt himself get thrown back into his body. Ever since that night, he never had sleep apnea again. God took His sleep apnea away.
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« on: November 18, 2010, 03:47:30 AM »
more houses + more rooms = more lag also.
Every darkrp server I have been on never has the whole server rping, which is why I suggested the simple and less laggy version of downtown which is used on most servers. You also have to think of it this way. Everyone has gm_construct, a majority has rp_downtownv2, not many people have the other versions of downtown. I've never seen a server capable of allowing rp_downtown to download from the server itself which means people will have to come on gmod to get it. It's a safe assumption that people get on a game to play it, they will join another server instead of going on gmod.org to download a map they dont have. That is why i suggested using gm_construct in the other thread to only start out with so we can build a darkrp community, then switch over to downtown.
HOLY TEH LAG IS ONLY U -.-' other people dont lag cuz we haz good stuff. and construct and flatgrass are horrible. :c
Actually when there are too many props and too many players on a big map like downtown it causes the whole server to lag and/or crash. Uncertain assumptions are bad.
Put a prop limit of like 50-100 :\ and still i think u be wrongz!
Yeah a prop limit is necessary, preferably not too low. Darkrp without the ability to make contraptions is a horrible server. I've been playing on steam for almost 11 years, before gmod. I know what I am talking about when it comes to servers stability. -_-
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« on: November 18, 2010, 02:59:56 AM »
Cool internet kid is an oxymoron. 90% of the people who claim atheism have no idea what they hell they are talking about and what atheism really is. It's mainly people trying to be trendy and excepted among the majority so they can finally be excepted at something. Atheism is not being able to come to the final conclusion that there is or isn't a god and sides on the side that there is no god. Me, a Christian, knows more about atheism than poser atheists do. That's pathetic. God, not bound by time or space, making the universe makes WAY more sense than matter creating itself from nothing, which is impossible according to science... oo I see a contradiction. Nice fail at trying to explain our existence science. Silly naive science will never be able to explain everything. It should stick to numbers and building blocks. wanna make a flaw in religion, the bible.
and that's it, i mean have you read it "God created the heaven and the earth" doesn't even go into detail
Obviously you haven't even picked up a bible and bothered reading ALL OF GENESIS CHAPTER 1 (the first thing you read in the bible) which is 31 verses going into detail of how heaven and earth was made. To denounce the bible without opening to the first page or even reading it speaks your level of intelligence on the matter loud and clear. Billy Ruben knows religion. This is what he has to say about it:
You're either a Theist, or an Atheist.
You're either Gnostic(Knowing), or Agnostic(Unknowing).
You MUST be a combination of the TWO choices.
Gnostic Theist = There is a God, and I KNOW this. (Hardcore biblepushers.)
Agnost Theist = There is a God, and I believe this is true. (Your average Christian/religious person.)
Gnostic Atheist = There is no God, and I KNOW this. (Scientifically illogical, this is what most posers claim to be. Then again, they just say atheist because they don't really know /shit/.)
Agnostic Atheist = There may or may not be a God. I am unable to prove either case, and thus go with the latter - which has more 'soft' evidence - and say there is no God. (tl;dr, most logical "religion". Can't fuxx wittit.)
I myself am an Agnostic Atheist. I don't know if there really is a God or not, but tbh, I couldn't care less.
That is all.
Billy is a wise person. What he says is true. This is what I was talking about above.. poser atheists are all over the internet trying to be cool and fit in with the crowd.
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« on: November 16, 2010, 11:55:23 PM »
more houses + more rooms = more lag also.
Every darkrp server I have been on never has the whole server rping, which is why I suggested the simple and less laggy version of downtown which is used on most servers. You also have to think of it this way. Everyone has gm_construct, a majority has rp_downtownv2, not many people have the other versions of downtown. I've never seen a server capable of allowing rp_downtown to download from the server itself which means people will have to come on gmod to get it. It's a safe assumption that people get on a game to play it, they will join another server instead of going on gmod.org to download a map they dont have. That is why i suggested using gm_construct in the other thread to only start out with so we can build a darkrp community, then switch over to downtown.
HOLY TEH LAG IS ONLY U -.-' other people dont lag cuz we haz good stuff. and construct and flatgrass are horrible. :c
Actually when there are too many props and too many players on a big map like downtown it causes the whole server to lag and/or crash. Uncertain assumptions are bad.
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