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CG Main => Debate Forum => Topic started by: Coreybush11 on May 04, 2013, 01:02:06 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System
This is the system that is in the U.S., while not really a draft forcing people to join immediately it is still forcing them to go in case of war. If you don't sign up, you could potentially be fined and be unable to get a government job. If someone has more knowledge on the subject I would be glad to hear it.
I think it is utter bullshit. I didn't ever plan on serving in the military and I sure as well don't want to sign something saying that I will under the threat of being unable to get any grant to go to college or a fine, not to mention that it is singling out men compared to women who do not have to register.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System
This is the system that is in the U.S., while not really a draft forcing people to join immediately it is still forcing them to go in case of war. If you don't sign up, you could potentially be fined and be unable to get a government job. If someone has more knowledge on the subject I would be glad to hear it.
I think it is utter bullshit. I didn't ever plan on serving in the military and I sure as well don't want to sign something saying that I will under the threat of being unable to get any grant to go to college or a fine, not to mention that it is singling out men compared to women who do not have to register.
Didn't liam already tell you this in vent a few months ago?
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I'd rather let them nuke/bomb me and die at home then go to war and die there. I don't want to kill people either. Woman should be drafted if there is going to be a draft, but there shouldn't be a draft at all.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System
This is the system that is in the U.S., while not really a draft forcing people to join immediately it is still forcing them to go in case of war. If you don't sign up, you could potentially be fined and be unable to get a government job. If someone has more knowledge on the subject I would be glad to hear it.
I think it is utter bullshit. I didn't ever plan on serving in the military and I sure as well don't want to sign something saying that I will under the threat of being unable to get any grant to go to college or a fine, not to mention that it is singling out men compared to women who do not have to register.
Didn't liam already tell you this in vent a few months ago?
Dude I don't remember what happened yesterday let alone a few months ago. I probably wasn't listening anyway. All I know is my Latin teacher was talking about this for some reason cuz someone is turning 18 soon and it just got me all worked up.
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I'd rather let them nuke/bomb me and die at home then go to war and die there. I don't want to kill people either. Woman should be drafted if there is going to be a draft, but there shouldn't be a draft at all.
If I'm called for by my country, I'm going to fight. To protect my family, and my country. Not being too nationalistic, but if you want to stand around and see your peers die, thats dishonorable.
Most of the time, especially now in modern times, we won't see combat roles.
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If the country needs defense, people need to man up and defend it. That's the core idea of it
Unfortunately they also used it for things like the Vietnam war.
Honestly I don't know how you haven't known about it, its been around for decades and decades, hence women are left out (it was only very recently they let women into active combat roles)
But if, for example, some force was in fact attacking our country, and we needed defenders, draft is there to try to stop pussying out and running to another country, instead of standing and fighting.
That is not to say that it won't be used for bullshit like fighting another country on THEIR soil, but it was originally created for a legitimate purpose.
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If the country needs defense, people need to man up and defend it. That's the core idea of it
Unfortunately they also used it for things like the Vietnam war.
Honestly I don't know how you haven't known about it, its been around for decades and decades, hence women are left out (it was only very recently they let women into active combat roles)
But if, for example, some force was in fact attacking our country, and we needed defenders, draft is there to try to stop pussying out and running to another country, instead of standing and fighting.
That is not to say that it won't be used for bullshit like fighting another country on THEIR soil, but it was originally created for a legitimate purpose.
I pretty much agree with everything in this post. If just about any country is ever involved in a serious conflict some form of personnel draft will be implemented, that's just how things work. You can't win a war without manpower.
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I have to sign up for the Selective Service in like 2 years, I don't really mind too much.
It would have to get pretty drastic, if America wants to start using on the group troops. Normally we fight wars now with special ops, drones, or bombs. We're more about precision now then sending 50,000 young males to fight wars. Last time they enacted this was Vietnam.
The point of women not yet included in the act is. Imagine a woman POW getting captured..and then add TV and Internet. Rape already happens to guys, but seeing a woman is a different ball park.
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It would have to get pretty drastic, if America wants to start using on the group troops. Normally we fight wars now with special ops, drones, or bombs. We're more about precision now then sending 50,000 young males to fight wars. Last time they enacted this was Vietnam.
Not quite... The rifle core still plays a huge part in current armed conflicts.
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Corey you should be proud to server your country if she needs it. Vietnam really didn't need a draft and it was quite stupid of them to have one, but its more used for emergency times, such as World War I and II.
There will come a time again were a draft will be used. If so, I would prefer to pick my service then get drafted. That would either mean Marines, Airborne, or Navy. Of course I think it covers from ages 18 to 26, but I would still join up if something major happened.
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The point of women not yet included in the act is. Imagine a woman POW getting captured..and then add TV and Internet. Rape already happens to guys, but seeing a woman is a different ball park.
Do you expect being a POW to be fun? Bad shit is going to happen no matter what your gender is. This is no reason not to draft them.
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The point of women not yet included in the act is. Imagine a woman POW getting captured..and then add TV and Internet. Rape already happens to guys, but seeing a woman is a different ball park.
Do you expect being a POW to be fun? Bad shit is going to happen no matter what your gender is. This is no reason not to draft them.
I meant more of how media is going to see it. Having an american woman raped on national news is going to infuriate he public much more than a man. Who is suppose to "tough it up". Government does not want public support to wane during a war.
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But if, for example, some force was in fact attacking our country, and we needed defenders, draft is there to try to stop pussying out and running to another country, instead of standing and fighting.
If it's for the sake of defending your on country in an attack the person would be a coward to night fight. If Something is threatening to take away your home or harm you friends and family you better be willing to fight for them or you don't deserve them.
If you're being forced to go to a different country to fight that's a completely different deal. However you better be seriously injured or disabled to think you're just going to sit around and watch if someone ever attacks your country.
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Fuck America. I hate this country so bad. Why defend a country full of people I despise. Sure I don't hate all Americans, but so many are so stupid I'd wish they do get drafted, as cannon fodder. I am already making plans to take vacation and possibly move, to Germany and Russia, where my ancestors were from. Because if the 3 Gotcher brothers (Mercenaries) saw America the way it is now, they would have either taken money or just not fight, instead of getting free land.
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Fuck America. I hate this country so bad. Why defend a country full of people I despise. Sure I don't hate all Americans, but so many are so stupid I'd wish they do get drafted, as cannon fodder. I am already making plans to take vacation and possibly move, to Germany and Russia, where my ancestors were from. Because if the 3 Gotcher brothers (Mercenaries) saw America the way it is now, they would have either taken money or just not fight, instead of getting free land.
Can't Tell if trolling, Drunk or fucking batshit insane.
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Can't Tell if trolling, Drunk or fucking batshit insane.
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It's a different thing here, but I've had a letter from France, saying I may have to do military training and six months police training/work, and that I've been recommended by a person who knows someone in my family, from the "Groupe d'Intervention Gendarmerie Nationale" (GIGN: Basically the French equivalent of the S.A.S) and may be selected for even more training if "My performance is of a high tier".
It sounds exciting, but I don't know if I'd take it up, I think I'd only do it after I am able to transition from MtF... but again, I still don't know.
IT WAS AN AMAZING IDEA TO POST THIS ON THE NET
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We have a similar system in Norway, however if it is anything remotely like what we have only the people of peak condition get chosen to actually serve so don't worry Corey xD
If it also is remotely like it is here you can deny the draft if you have legitimate reasons for doing so, injuries, education, paternity and similar things that hinder you from being away for a year.
I understand the feelings around this subject, nasionalism and paranoia. On one hand you want to serve your country protect your people. On the other hand though how can you trust your country to fight for your views? No one here can say without being 100% crazy that their country is flawless and fights for the exact same things you do. So being drafted eliminates the posibility of choice, it makes it so that if there is a war like say the vietnam war you have no choice you go and possibly die for a cause you don't find just or worthy.
I honestly don't understand if we are truly free countries why are we forced to fight wars we disagree with? There can be no freedom via force, it can't be great for morale either so why is the system in place?
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Its in place because during peacetime the military is constantly cut to save money. Once a major war begins however, manpower is vital to win that war, and often times the peacetime military does not have enough people to fight. Right now the US military has about 1 million men spread across several branches, but if that was increased five fold, it gives the US a huge advantage, so the only way to combat somebody else drafting, is to have a draft yourself.
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If you honestly think that there would be a lack of finding recruits during wartime in America where everyone is so patriotic that it burns then please stop.
I knew nothing about this because I have never been told about it before.
It doesn't matter what gender you are you can serve in the military. Thinking otherwise is just pure sexism. If women do not have to be drafted then why do men?
And that just leads to more questions such as: who would stay behind if we did cut out the sexist nature of it? If we didn't, is it right to have some men who would rather stay at home be fighting but keep some women at home who would love to fight?
What do draftees do to fight? Do they have to go to bootcamp to train or do they just go straight into battle, I'm just asking here. Cause if the very small chance that I was selected and we had to go to bootcamp I would be kicked out. It wouldn't even be on purpose, it's because I don't take kindly to cranky people yelling at me and I would just laugh at them and leave. If it was just being thrown into battle then I would be a deserter. I will not fight. It goes against every belief that I hold to fight to kill another individual who has not directly harmed me or another that I know.
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They go to boot camp Corey and get training. The only way the training would be shortened is if America was invaded, forcing us to train recruits fewer hours.
If you were drafted, you have to pass a physical first before anything.
Here is the thing. Even with "patriots" joining, in total war you need as many men as possible, hence a draft.
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(GIGN: Basically the French equivalent of the S.W.A.T/S.A.S) and may be selected for even more training if "My performance is of a high tier".
I fucking hate it when people compare the S.W.A.T. to special forces and elite counter-terrorist units, they are not in any sense of the word. The S.W.A.T. is just an over glorified police asset, the S.A.S. is more like the equivalent to the American Delta Force or DEVGRU. I understand your current position leetgrain and why this is problematic for you but it's pretty crazy that you got selected for this.
Back on the topic though, assuming America's national security was placed directly at risk they would be pretty picky with their draft candidates that go on to train. This drafting system isn't even that bad, a lot of countries force able bodied people to join the reserves and train regardless of the threat that they are currently in. Take Finland for example, the only non-NATO European country bordering Russia, they force everyone to take military training when they are able and then keep them as reservists for some years after, they currently have somewhere around 600 000 people in this program.
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Fuck America. I hate this country so bad. Why defend a country full of people I despise. Sure I don't hate all Americans, but so many are so stupid I'd wish they do get drafted, as cannon fodder. I am already making plans to take vacation and possibly move, to Germany and Russia, where my ancestors were from. Because if the 3 Gotcher brothers (Mercenaries) saw America the way it is now, they would have either taken money or just not fight, instead of getting free land.
Can't Tell if trolling, Drunk or fucking batshit insane.
I'm not trolling, nor was I drunk. I seriously hate most of the people in America, especially California. I walk around downtown bakersfield or LA and hear people talking shit about every country but america, hell every day I hear someone thanking "God" for the Tsunami that hit Japan a while back, the 420 shootout and the recent Bombings. When do they stop thanking "God" for disasters and instead question why "God" lets these things happen? When it happens to America. Not to mention all the hate crimes I have witnessed in CA for being different, where most cops don't do shit. Even with my town, Bakersfield, the Cops motto is basically "Shoot anyone not from bakersfield." Most people from other towns that break laws do get shot, before taken to the ground.
Why should I protect people I despise? Why sacrifice my life for people who I would rather see vanish?
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Fuck America. I hate this country so bad. Why defend a country full of people I despise. Sure I don't hate all Americans, but so many are so stupid I'd wish they do get drafted, as cannon fodder. I am already making plans to take vacation and possibly move, to Germany and Russia, where my ancestors were from. Because if the 3 Gotcher brothers (Mercenaries) saw America the way it is now, they would have either taken money or just not fight, instead of getting free land.
Can't Tell if trolling, Drunk or fucking batshit insane.
I'm not trolling, nor was I drunk. I seriously hate most of the people in America, especially California. I walk around downtown bakersfield or LA and hear people talking shit about every country but america, hell every day I hear someone thanking "God" for the Tsunami that hit Japan a while back, the 420 shootout and the recent Bombings. When do they stop thanking "God" for disasters and instead question why "God" lets these things happen? When it happens to America. Not to mention all the hate crimes I have witnessed in CA for being different, where most cops don't do shit. Even with my town, Bakersfield, the Cops motto is basically "Shoot anyone not from bakersfield." Most people from other towns that break laws do get shot, before taken to the ground.
Why should I protect people I despise? Why sacrifice my life for people who I would rather see vanish?
You're generalizing almost half a continent for the actions of a few people in one state. I've never heard people like that where I live.
Also lets not stray off the topic.
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Fuck America. I hate this country so bad. Why defend a country full of people I despise. Sure I don't hate all Americans, but so many are so stupid I'd wish they do get drafted, as cannon fodder. I am already making plans to take vacation and possibly move, to Germany and Russia, where my ancestors were from. Because if the 3 Gotcher brothers (Mercenaries) saw America the way it is now, they would have either taken money or just not fight, instead of getting free land.
Can't Tell if trolling, Drunk or fucking batshit insane.
I'm not trolling, nor was I drunk. I seriously hate most of the people in America, especially California. I walk around downtown bakersfield or LA and hear people talking shit about every country but America, hell every day I hear someone thanking "God" for the Tsunami that hit Japan a while back, the 420 shootout and the recent Bombings. When do they stop thanking "God" for disasters and instead question why "God" lets these things happen? When it happens to America. Not to mention all the hate crimes I have witnessed in CA for being different, where most cops don't do shit. Even with my town, Bakersfield, the Cops motto is basically "Shoot anyone not from bakersfield." Most people from other towns that break laws do get shot, before taken to the ground.
Why should I protect people I despise? Why sacrifice my life for people who I would rather see vanish?
You're generalizing almost half a continent for the actions of a few people in one state. I've never heard people like that where I live.
Also lets not stray off the topic.
This is on topic.
And not a few amount of people, I'm talking a lot of people. My friends see it all the time too, and they know people who do too. Note I never was Generalizing half a continent I said why should I protect America at all when there are so many people I hate, who are ignorant and racist.
I have seen the best and worst of California, it can only gets worse.
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This thread just got Dante-rolled.
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Welp the generalization was strong with that one.
Anyway, might be the same station, but let's get back on the right train, alright? Back onto drafting and enrollment/etc.
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In the heat of the moment, being nice guy will get you killed. The guy on the other side holding the gun, probably is not going to hesitate to pull the trigger.
You do what's right for your country and your people. If you're going to be selfish and let your peers die on the front lines protecting your sorry ass, then you should leave the country in my opinion.
I'm not particularly patriotic but I still believe that America, being a young naive country, has good intentions.
Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
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Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Common courtesy?
That man is a brother, son, or a father. Now imagine the individuals who will not see him that care about him for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Men and women are equal and it makes no sense to single out one gender for the draft over the other.
Women don't need men specifically to protect them and men don't need women specifically to protect them. Each needs individual volunteers who of their own free will will do it.
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In the heat of the moment, being nice guy will get you killed. The guy on the other side holding the gun, probably is not going to hesitate to pull the trigger.
You do what's right for your country and your people. If you're going to be selfish and let your peers die on the front lines protecting your sorry ass, then you should leave the country in my opinion.
I'm not particularly patriotic but I still believe that America, being a young naive country, has good intentions.
Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Are you talking about the brother, or the sister? Because in either case the roles could be reversed and it would still be the same.
Egh, war is horrible, and no matter what there will be casualties, no matter what gender, but they should be allowed to serve if they want to, it's their choice, even if it does just end in grieving.
Common courtesy?
That man is a brother, son, or a father. Now imagine the individuals who will not see him that care about him for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Men and women are equal and it makes no sense to single out one gender for the draft over the other.
Women don't need men specifically to protect them and men don't need women specifically to protect them. Each needs individual volunteers who of their own free will will do it.
This.
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Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Your logic is flawed. Men can have siblings/parents/kids too.
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Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Your logic is flawed. Men can have siblings/parents/kids too.
My argument was that if a draft was enacted, a male would step up and fight. A woman doesn't need to have to fight unless she wants too. It's more socially acceptable to hear a male soldiers death than a females. It's more infuriating to hear that a woman was captured than a man as a POW.
Don't get me wrong, males aren't all superman and have to "tough it out". Hell, I'm still afraid of death, but its reassuring for me that my sister doesn't also have to fight.
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Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Your logic is flawed. Men can have siblings/parents/kids too.
My argument was that if a draft was enacted, a male would step up and fight. A woman doesn't need to have to fight unless she wants too. It's more socially acceptable to hear a male soldiers death than a females. It's more infuriating to hear that a woman was captured than a man as a POW.
Don't get me wrong, males aren't all superman and have to "tough it out". Hell, I'm still afraid of death, but its reassuring for me that my sister doesn't also have to fight.
I fail to understand why they get a choice and I'm forced. If I wanted to protect loved ones I would enlist, that's not a reason to force men to fight.
War is not supposed to be socially acceptable. If the public doesn't want to hear about women dying they can suck it up. There are men and women who would enlist, and men and women who would move to canada. It's not fair giving women the choice and drafting the men.
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Back to women not being included in the draft. If they want they can go enlist if they really wanted to fight. But honestly, what happened to common courtesy instead of sexism. That woman is a sister, daughter, or a mom. Now imagine the orphan/brother who won't see her for a few years or come back in a coffin.
Your logic is flawed. Men can have siblings/parents/kids too.
My argument was that if a draft was enacted, a male would step up and fight. A woman doesn't need to have to fight unless she wants too. It's more socially acceptable to hear a male soldiers death than a females. It's more infuriating to hear that a woman was captured than a man as a POW.
Don't get me wrong, males aren't all superman and have to "tough it out". Hell, I'm still afraid of death, but its reassuring for me that my sister doesn't also have to fight.
Explain to me how it isn't sexist that women aren't forced to join but a man is. I don't give a fuck what is socially acceptable, do you know what was "socially acceptable" in Nazi Germany? Or even in modern times, when it is socially acceptable in some countries that are under a theocracy to use their religion as an excuse to rape others.
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To me its like holding the door open for a girl. It's not sexist just how society has evolved into.
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To me its like holding the door open for a girl.
Being forced into war and HOLDING A GOD DAMN DOOR OPEN ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
And if you only open doors for girls instead of ANY INDIVIDUAL that is borderline sexist.
I hold the damn door open for whoever is behind me or walking out/in when I can get there first, I don't care what sex they are.
It's not sexist just how society has evolved into.
Society can "evolve" into sexist ideals.
The aspect of chivalry of having to protect a woman because she is a woman and the man is the knight in shining armor because he is a man is sexist, no matter how you look at it.
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Just wait until you're my age and they send you threatening letters saying to sign up or get slapped with a felony. I already know I'm signed up for the draft stop sending me that shit, seriously.
Edit: also my parents never told me about it until they sent me my first notice
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To me its like holding the door open for a girl.
Being forced into war and HOLDING A GOD DAMN DOOR OPEN ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
And if you only open doors for girls instead of ANY INDIVIDUAL that is borderline sexist.
I hold the damn door open for whoever is behind me or walking out/in when I can get there first, I don't care what sex they are.
It's not sexist just how society has evolved into.
Society can "evolve" into sexist ideals.
The aspect of chivalry of having to protect a woman because she is a woman and the man is the knight in shining armor because he is a man is sexist, no matter how you look at it.
Would you like to send 1 Parent to war or both?
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To me its like holding the door open for a girl.
Being forced into war and HOLDING A GOD DAMN DOOR OPEN ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
And if you only open doors for girls instead of ANY INDIVIDUAL that is borderline sexist.
I hold the damn door open for whoever is behind me or walking out/in when I can get there first, I don't care what sex they are.
It's not sexist just how society has evolved into.
Society can "evolve" into sexist ideals.
The aspect of chivalry of having to protect a woman because she is a woman and the man is the knight in shining armor because he is a man is sexist, no matter how you look at it.
Would you like to send 1 Parent to war or both?
What makes you think that a draft of both sexes would send everyone to war? An even amount of men/women should be drafted.
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To me its like holding the door open for a girl.
Being forced into war and HOLDING A GOD DAMN DOOR OPEN ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
And if you only open doors for girls instead of ANY INDIVIDUAL that is borderline sexist.
I hold the damn door open for whoever is behind me or walking out/in when I can get there first, I don't care what sex they are.
It's not sexist just how society has evolved into.
Society can "evolve" into sexist ideals.
The aspect of chivalry of having to protect a woman because she is a woman and the man is the knight in shining armor because he is a man is sexist, no matter how you look at it.
Would you like to send 1 Parent to war or both?
What makes you think that a draft of both sexes would send everyone to war? An even amount of men/women should be drafted.
Or we could just get rid of the draft
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To me its like holding the door open for a girl.
Being forced into war and HOLDING A GOD DAMN DOOR OPEN ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS
And if you only open doors for girls instead of ANY INDIVIDUAL that is borderline sexist.
I hold the damn door open for whoever is behind me or walking out/in when I can get there first, I don't care what sex they are.
It's not sexist just how society has evolved into.
Society can "evolve" into sexist ideals.
The aspect of chivalry of having to protect a woman because she is a woman and the man is the knight in shining armor because he is a man is sexist, no matter how you look at it.
Would you like to send 1 Parent to war or both?
What makes you think that a draft of both sexes would send everyone to war? An even amount of men/women should be drafted.
Or we could just get rid of the draft
Also a good idea.
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"On January 23, 2013, the Pentagon decided to end its policy of excluding women from combat positions. Military and legal analysts speculate that this will open the door for Congress to begin the process to amend the law and remove the exemption from registration requirements."
There you go, you can stop bitching now the women will have to go to war too.
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"On January 23, 2013, the Pentagon decided to end its policy of excluding women from combat positions. Military and legal analysts speculate that this will open the door for Congress to begin the process to amend the law and remove the exemption from registration requirements."
There you go, you can stop bitching now the women will have to go to war too.
It might happen in the future, but as of now they still don't have to register for selective service.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
That's unnoble.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
Good job?
If a man has to be drafted then a woman must as well.
That is being equal in sex.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.
If men are going to be drafted while women are not because they are men and they are women then that is sexist.
I'm completely for men and women to be equal in the military, but what I am not for is the forcing of individuals (regardless of gender) to have to join if the need was to arise.
I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
That's unnoble.
UN-NOBLE?! WTF IS "NOBLE" SUPPOSED TO MEAN HERE? IT'S UN-NOBLE TO THINK THAT A WOMAN HAS HIGHER PRIVILEGE THAN A MAN LIKE THIS OR A MAN HAS THE HIGHER OBLIGATION TO GO THE ARMY
It's just sexist to think that a woman is any less than a man and that a man has to be the one to be drafted while a woman does not.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
That's unnoble.
I could care less about chivalry and nobility. These aren't the middle ages anymore.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
That's unnoble.
I could care less about chivalry and nobility. These aren't the middle ages anymore.
"I could care less about chivalry and nobility."
Welcome to 2013 people where Chivalry is truly dead and nobility is pissed on.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
That's unnoble.
I could care less about chivalry and nobility. These aren't the middle ages anymore.
"I could care less about chivalry and nobility."
Welcome to 2013 people where Chivalry is truly dead and nobility is pissed on.
Good luck trying to establish some kind of moral higher power to individuals that don't care about it. People don't need to actively try and sway women off of their feet or have to act noble to be a good person. I will gladly piss on chivalry and nobility because I don't need those sort of concepts to be a decent human being to everyone regardless of who or what they are.
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I was finally able to word my main point right.
You guys aren't argueing that women should have equality, having to also be drafted. More so you are saying that "If I have to fight and die. So do they!!!"
That's equality.
That's unnoble.
If I want to fight, I will fight for my country, doesn't make it unnoble, women should get a fair chance to serve their country of origin as well.
It's war, Unknown, "chivalry" does not and should not come into play anymore.
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Jesus Christ people, quit bitching about sexism. I hate to have to be the one to break it to you people but there is not such thing as equality, we don't live in a prefect world where there are no genders or races where people have adapted differently due to the challenges faced. The fact of the matter is that men are good at some things while women are good at others. I'm not saying that women shouldn't be drafted but neither should men, but that's not going to happen. If the American Government would prefer to have male soldiers that is perfectly fucking fine in my opinion, after all no one said that everything was going to be equal, this isn't a game of tag, this is war we're talking about. If someone determined that having mostly male soldiers would give them the edge in a conflict then logically they would use mostly male soldiers. It's not about protecting women.
/rant
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I hate to have to be the one to break it to you people but there is not such thing as equality, we don't live in a prefect world where there are no genders or races where people have adapted differently due to the challenges faced.
Just because equality isn't there doesn't mean we can't strive for it.
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Bam.
I have been at work. HOW the hell did this turn into a sexism thing??
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Bam.
I have been at work. HOW the hell did this turn into a sexism thing??
Men can be drafted while women can not.
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This thread stinks of wuss. Well, maybe only half
trollface
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This thread stinks of wuss. Well, maybe only half
trollface
Elaborate on who's making the wuss-puss.
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Lol, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. I'm not sure what to say to you if you can't understand why women and men aren't considered equal in combat.
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Lol, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. I'm not sure what to say to you if you can't understand why women and men aren't considered equal in combat.
giving myself lobotomy brb
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Lol, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. I'm not sure what to say to you if you can't understand why women and men aren't considered equal in combat.
giving myself lobotomy brb
Oh lawd, mind if I join in? q,q
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This thread is like brain cancer.
Mind cancer.
You're hurting my ideas
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This thread is like brain cancer.
Mind cancer.
You're hurting my ideas
Join us, have a lobotomy.
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Lol, this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. I'm not sure what to say to you if you can't understand why women and men aren't considered equal in combat.
It's not about being equal in combat. What about fat men? They'll be drafted too. That doesn't mean they're combat ready. If they're determined not to be fit for combat then they won't fight. Women should be drafted and they should sort out the ones who can fight, because there are definitely women out there who can.
Not all men will be fit for combat, nor all women. The draft all in all is fucking stupid. If they ever try to ship me off to another country to kill people I'll be up in canada. If we're fighting on our soil I might give a shit, but otherwise, nope. Obviously if we don't come to them they will come to us, but I quite frankly don't even care.
You know, gender aside, 18 year olds who don't want to fight make very shitty soldiers. In the end you're using them like cannon fodder and just exporting your next generation to be killed.
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This system is stupid and is a reason why I could never become a citizen of the U.S.A. (not that I want to anyways) I find this absolutely insane.
I have no interest nor intentions to die for my country let alone for it's stupid Crusade for oil. Or follow them in a pent up rage at some other country that likely did shit all to them in the first place. There are more then enough American troops today then they would ever need for any new war. There is absolutely no reason for this system to exist any more.
Why should I be honoured? To fight for a country that uses it's military for malicious purposes? It's not like it was before. Their is no honour in singing up to fight for your country any more, any more then there is honour to make a bacon cheese omelette. OH DAMN I JUST SET THE RAPE TRAIN ON MY SELF.... Incoming angry Americans inbound.... Yeah I don't think so.
I have no intrest in dieing for anyone but my self. If I find something or someone worth dieing for I'll let you know. Until then I'll live my life as long as I can.
I'm not saying I have no respect for those who fight in the war. It's rough and you could die, and that's great and all. But no one should be forced to do it. American Patriotism is way to high which is what Americans honestly in my opinion dangerously unstable and border line insane.
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If suddenly both women and men get drafted, what happens to their kids if both the Mom and the Dad get drafted at once?
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If suddenly both women and men get drafted, what happens to their kids if both the Mom and the Dad get drafted at once?
Another flaw in the system. Not that a men only draft would completely avoid this. There are still gay parents.
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So what happens if America fights a major war, or a war against China? You think 1 million will be able to stand against 4 million, never mind the fact the Chinese will draft everybody they can.
The draft is and will only be used for times of need aka America is getting invaded, or in preparation for the next world war. Look in 1940 America started its draft even before it entered World War II. Why? Because if we hadn't started, we would have been seriously lacking manpower to fight Japan and Germany.
I am in no way condoning a draft for an unjust war (Vietnam, Iraq) but I think after the draft incident with Vietnam, the military became much more professional, and today they will not take you if you don't meet certain requirements.
Honestly, there will not be another draft unless we engage a major world power (China, Russia, Brazil etc). Otherwise you would have seen a draft for the Iraq war.
I also wouldn't call self defense unjust. I would call Iraq unjust, Vietnam unjust but if Russia made a full on scale attack against the United States, you bet I'd join up. If you are not going to fight, then you better help in any way possible (factory work, supply chain) instead of running away to Canada. Now if say the United States makes a full on attack on Russia, then starts a draft, I will sure as shit go North, because that would be an unjustified attack against another country.
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I also wouldn't call self defense unjust. I would call Iraq unjust, Vietnam unjust but if Russia made a full on scale attack against the United States, you bet I'd join up. If you are not going to fight, then you better help in any way possible (factory work, supply chain) instead of running away to Canada. Now if say the United States makes a full on attack on Russia, then starts a draft, I will sure as shit go North, because that would be an unjustified attack against another country.
The issue is that if you're drafted you don't have the choice of staying and working in a factory.
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I also wouldn't call self defense unjust. I would call Iraq unjust, Vietnam unjust but if Russia made a full on scale attack against the United States, you bet I'd join up. If you are not going to fight, then you better help in any way possible (factory work, supply chain) instead of running away to Canada. Now if say the United States makes a full on attack on Russia, then starts a draft, I will sure as shit go North, because that would be an unjustified attack against another country.
The issue is that if you're drafted you don't have the choice of staying and working in a factory.
Maybe not a factory, but there are a lot more jobs in the supply chain. It takes about four to five people to support one solider fully within a supply chain.
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You do what's right for your country and your people. If you're going to be selfish and let your peers die on the front lines protecting your sorry ass, then you should leave the country in my opinion.
They don't even protect people. America has only Invaded for decades.