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CG Main => Debate Forum => Topic started by: Old Crow on August 28, 2012, 02:09:00 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19372456
Check it out. Thoughts?
Could this be a true study that it does affect you more then you think? (for users) Remember this is outside the states and being reported by the ever reliable source BBC News
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19372456
Check it out. Thoughts?
Could this be a true study that it does affect you more then you think? (for users) Remember this is outside the states and being reported by the ever reliable source BBC News
i assume that bbc news is the equivalent to fox news when it comes to reliability.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19372456
Check it out. Thoughts?
Could this be a true study that it does affect you more then you think? (for users) Remember this is outside the states and being reported by the ever reliable source BBC News
i assume that bbc news is the equivalent to fox news when it comes to reliability.
No I was not being sarcastic, they are usually considered the best source, or at least the most unbiased.
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They did statistics though
besides one thing they may not have accounted for is
1. Those that smoke weed are more likely to drink alcohol (which WILL kill brain cells on a greater scale)
2. The study was 1,000 people from a specific geo graphic location. Not only are the numbers on the low side (another survey about weed and its affects of cancer was about 40,000+ I think if I remember correctly) but also it is a different region with a different culture.
3. How early are these teens starting to smoke?
All in all teens should not smoke or drink in general as it will affect their brains as they are still developing. I agree partially with the study in that regard.
If so what is the that magic age where people can start to smoke?
no scientific evidence was brought forward in this study which makes it just a theory based off of statistics
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19372456
Check it out. Thoughts?
Could this be a true study that it does affect you more then you think? (for users) Remember this is outside the states and being reported by the ever reliable source BBC News
i assume that bbc news is the equivalent to fox news when it comes to reliability.
Someone does not watch news enough.
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Nguni weed actually helps your seplling.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19372456
Check it out. Thoughts?
Could this be a true study that it does affect you more then you think? (for users) Remember this is outside the states and being reported by the ever reliable source BBC News
i assume that bbc news is the equivalent to fox news when it comes to reliability.
Someone does not watch news enough.
BBC news is essentially a British thing as it stands for 'British Broadcasting Channel' (not sure if the Channel is right but...) Actually BBC is rather reliable so merh.
And no shit, doing Weed in my opinion (no offense to any users here) is an awful thing that destroys peoples lives and the 'MAJORITY' of users are lowlife thugs/criminals or who use government money to live and not bother getting a job...
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Does it really matter? My IQ is well above average and on that note, IQ means absolutely nothing considering I'm a high school drop-out
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besides one thing they may not have accounted for is
1. Those that smoke weed are more likely to drink alcohol (which WILL kill brain cells on a greater scale)
"Having taken into account other factors such as alcohol or tobacco dependency or other drug use, as well the number of years spent in education,"
2. The study was 1,000 people from a specific geo graphic location. Not only are the numbers on the low side (another survey about weed and its affects of cancer was about 40,000+ I think if I remember correctly) but also it is a different region with a different culture.
This was a study that followed people's lives over 25 years. A survey is nothing but a correlation-type study which means very little to the scientific community (Correlation =/= Causation). This is also a important study because it gives other scientists reason to invest the time and money in their area. You don't start studies on a worldwide scale, no one would fund such a costly study without these types of studies to prove they are worth the money.
3. How early are these teens starting to smoke?
This should have been stated in the article but remember this is a new report of the study. They actual study should clarify this.
All in all teens should not smoke or drink in general as it will affect their brains as they are still developing. I agree partially with the study in that regard.
If so what is the that magic age where people can start to smoke?
"It is such a special study that I'm fairly confident that cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains."
no scientific evidence was brought forward in this study which makes it just a theory based off of statistics
A theory backed by a 25 year in-depth study. There is more to this report than the page wrote by the news. Do not discount the report based on what someone else writes about it. If you read the paper/report and have the same issues with it I'd be shocked it even got press.
What would you consider Scientific evidence? (Seriously)
I don't mean to be mean nor am I trying to insult you. I have had a good deal of experience with psychological research and just wanted to help people understand what was actually going on. You actually raised questions I could respond to!
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I'm not going to take part in this debate because there are too many people in CG that get ragey when you tell them that smoking is dumb but, the C in BBC stands for corporation. kthxbai
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I'm not going to take part in this debate because there are too many people in CG that get ragey when you tell them that smoking is dumb but, the C in BBC stands for corporation. kthxbai
Smoking IS stupid, but they know that too and need to defend themselves. Video games are equally as stupid as getting wasted every night, smoking weed with a bunch of people, or having sex with random people because you're lusting for them. Honestly... If people get angry because someone holds a different opinion then them, they shouldn't even be able to debate. Keeping a cool-head during these things are required, otherwise Cadaver has to punish... And Cadaver doesn't like to punish.
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I'm not going to take part in this debate because there are too many people in CG that get ragey when you tell them that smoking is dumb but, the C in BBC stands for corporation. kthxbai
If you are going to post make it relevant to the topic. Do not derail threads with comment like this that add nothing to the discussion.
Actually (mod) this was rather referenced to the thread, as he was responding to what I said when correcting the 'C' in 'BBC'.
Thankies Cortez :)
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It's mostly true. It's the reason I didn't start smoking weed until I was about seventeen, it's still a bit early, as you should wait until at least 20, or 24. From all the research I've done, 24 seems like that magic number where you're brains pretty done developing. Like wholegrain said, your brain gets much worse alongside drinking alcohol, which is even worse for you and your brain. This is why if weed were legalized, I think it'd be fair to make the age requirement 21. People are still going to smoke underage, but then the cops can have their fun with putting kids with juvie instead of full grown adults in jail.
I have family and friends who started smoking when they were 11 and 12, and I can't really say they're less intelligent than other people.. There are still people who DON'T smoke weed who seem like they have less going on upstairs than them. I do believe they'd be better off if they had waited another 10 years to smoke though. Yet every single person is different and constant weed smoking could make them a more social and happy person; for other people it can be a problem, and for the already less intelligent it probably just makes them completely retarded.
The reason I started smoking around 17ish is because of the five years of hating it when my younger cousin and her friends always wanted me to smoke it, and her friends were fucking idiots. They got me to take a few GBs in the woods and I just felt sketch and annoyed, so anytime I got high I just was angry and went to bed when I got home. Told my mom I hated it and was all anti-pot, I'm too smart for a good 4-5 years. Later I realized I'm really not that smart, and everyone else is dumb also.
Then some of MY friends started smoking and eventually I tried it with them, in a more positive environment, and was down with smoking it every once in a while. Then after my cousin moved in with the BF, they had weed EVERY DAY, ALL DAY; and after a year of them living here I'm sure I've lost a few IQ points/potential IQ points.
Kinda got the GF on that schedule after she moved in but we're both kinda done with it. It's hard when all your friends smoke too and are always coming over to use your bong, and since we're in community college and in drug-test-free jobs; it might be a few more months before we do. I've already fucked up my endorphins a bit, but I've also already had serious depression problems before marijuana. It helps now and hurts in the long run. Most other days though I realize I'm still an over-active ADHD kid and can think much clearer than when I'm high, and don't even want to; until it's in my face and I'm like.. meh.. why the fuck not.
It's still less dangerous than legal anti-depressants and other drugs though.
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I'm not going to take part in this debate because there are too many people in CG that get ragey when you tell them that smoking is dumb but, the C in BBC stands for corporation. kthxbai
If you are going to post make it relevant to the topic. Do not derail threads with comment like this that add nothing to the discussion.
There are also people who get ragey when you say religion is retarded and now we can't discuss it at all. Telling someone their opinions/actions are stupid never goes well. Lets try to avoid that before another thread gets locked. I mean the thread topic is how weed may lower your IQ so it's the perfect opportunity, but I'll be glad to hear any anti pot opinions you have to share. Just don't be a cunt about it and the potheads won't either. It's not in our nature :p
Edit: Double post for topic change and less TL:DR
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I have seen 14 year olds smoke weed constantly that are now 16 and he has staight A's except dat honors chem.... But I think the studies were done on people that were dumb fucks to begin with.
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I have seen 14 year olds smoke weed constantly that are now 16 and he has staight A's except dat honors chem.... But I think the studies were done on people that were dumb fucks to begin with.
Straight A's =/= Intelligence. You can be high as fuck and make it through high school, college maybe. S'long as you keep your attendance up, pay enough attention, and do your work; the stupidest people can make it through school EZPZ. It's the slackers and the lazy that drop out and do terribly.
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For example, researchers found that individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and then carried on using it for years showed an average eight-point IQ decline.
This is not a significant drop because they could be staying in the same range.
Over 140 - Genius or almost genius
120 - 140 - Very superior intelligence
110 - 119 - Superior intelligence
90 - 109 - Average or normal intelligence
80 - 89 - Dullness
70 - 79 - Borderline deficiency in intelligence
Under 70 - Feeble-mindedness
This study is not saying that you are an idiot if you smoke or you'll become one. It is saying there are proven negative effects. Then again the IQ scale is a matter for another debate... it's not as effective as media wants it to be.
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We might as well talk about IQ here since it's vaguely on topic..
IQ's not to be taken seriously. I ask someone go take 3 IQ tests in the same week, and see if you get the same results every time. Probably a costly/impossible task but the point is, it'll more than likely be different every time. I've taken one when I was in 6th grade school and was 126, and 10th grade I was 138. Then if you take the seemingly legit 100+question ones online, it'll work the same. Every time I took it I got about 134-140, and the friends I had take it to as controls; got 98 the first time, tried again for 110, and then got 118. That was the one I thought would get higher points like me, and her friend ended up getting 118, 124 and 128; and rubbed it in her face for weeks like she was smarter b/c the other girl got 98 on her first try. I wasn't sure if the online ones could be taken seriously but I guess so. Either way it's not worth gloating about, people will still think you're a moron because they're smart and you're not.
Meme10
I wouldn't be surprised if smoking pot did lower your IQ over a long period of time, but it'd be a worthwhile investment since the longtime-potheads probably didn't want those IQ points anyway. On-Demand happiness trumps depression and intelligent-clear headedness for some people. Studies show that more intelligent people with 140+ IQ's tend to be more depressed and apathetic and end up doing nothing with their lives more often than normal IQ'd people; so perhaps pot's the perfect answer for some people, while others have no need for it.
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@ Towersheep maybe describing HOW it affects the brain.
Also I saw they "took in factors of alcohol as well" but how in depth were these questions and honestly how did they "compensate" for the other factors.
I know people that make mad fucking money and millionaires who have aggressive business strategies with incredible payouts. This kid is like 20 ish around my age and already has millions and teaches people in their 30's and 40's how to run their already existing business. He also lives on the 50th story of this big ass fucking skyscraper in downtown Chicago. Another one of my friends I met before moving out of Chicago was the most fucking beast JAVA programmer ever. This man was sought by companies from California to Illinois. The man doesn't even really have to apply because companies are asking him to come work for them. I could keep going on and on but will stop here.
Some of the smartest and most sociable people I know some weed.
so besides a slight drop of IQ this study
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer
also shows that the other bad health affects are bullshit like it causing cancer
They used roughly the same number of people as this current study. Also it was the same researcher that proved years before that weed causes lung cancer. However the findings of the new study show that the cancerous cells are actually killed before they can multiply.
Their are many factors to put in
since it is restricted to a certain geo graphic location
it could be the food they eat?
maybe their weed is tainted? (it happens sometimes with the "legal" weed)
I point to spice as an example
Maybe the other drugs they did?
It was a study of 1,000 people
A small sample size in my opinion
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We might as well talk about IQ here since it's vaguely on topic..
IQ's not to be taken seriously. I ask someone go take 3 IQ tests in the same week, and see if you get the same results every time. Probably a costly/impossible task but the point is, it'll more than likely be different every time. I've taken one when I was in 6th grade school and was 126, and 10th grade I was 138. Then if you take the seemingly legit 100+question ones online, it'll work the same. Every time I took it I got about 134-140, and the friends I had take it to as controls; got 98 the first time, tried again for 110, and then got 118. That was the one I thought would get higher points like me, and her friend ended up getting 118, 124 and 128; and rubbed it in her face for weeks like she was smarter b/c the other girl got 98 on her first try. I wasn't sure if the online ones could be taken seriously but I guess so. Either way it's not worth gloating about, people will still think you're a moron because they're smart and you're not.
Meme10
I wouldn't be surprised if smoking pot did lower your IQ over a long period of time, but it'd be a worthwhile investment since the longtime-potheads probably didn't want those IQ points anyway. On-Demand happiness trumps depression and intelligent-clear headedness for some people. Studies show that more intelligent people with 140+ IQ's tend to be more depressed and apathetic and end up doing nothing with their lives more often than normal IQ'd people; so perhaps pot's the perfect answer for some people, while others have no need for it.
I entirely agree with what Pillz has said.
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There is no magic age for weed, it all depends on the mind. If you have flexed your mind and become open-minded and very self aware, then it shouldn't cause any harm. 16-18 is usually the best age that minimizes the harm (like there are any). Besides, why smoke dat shit? Use a bong or vaporizer, much healthier. Or make some brownies :)))
(Not saying this from a personal experience, but science does say vaporization is much healthier. Smoke isn't healthy no matter whats burning)
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There is no magic age for weed, it all depends on the mind. If you have flexed your mind and become open-minded and very self aware, then it shouldn't cause any harm. 16-18 is usually the best age that minimizes the harm (like there are any). Besides, why smoke dat shit? Use a bong or vaporizer, much healthier. Or make some brownies :)))
(Not saying this from a personal experience, but science does say vaporization is much healthier. Smoke isn't healthy no matter whats burning)
They just said that anytime before 18 when the brain is developing still is harmful Meme9
That includes alcohol and other drugs, but this study was geared towards Weed.
Also instant happiness???? Isn't that what video games and puppies are for?
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There is no magic age for weed, it all depends on the mind. If you have flexed your mind and become open-minded and very self aware, then it shouldn't cause any harm. 16-18 is usually the best age that minimizes the harm (like there are any). Besides, why smoke dat shit? Use a bong or vaporizer, much healthier. Or make some brownies :)))
(Not saying this from a personal experience, but science does say vaporization is much healthier. Smoke isn't healthy no matter whats burning)
They just said that anytime before 18 when the brain is developing still is harmful Meme9
That includes alcohol and other drugs, but this study was geared towards Weed.
Also instant happiness???? Isn't that what video games and puppies are for?
this brings me to another point
maybe it has to do with the way the thc passes from the lungs to the blood stream OR just smoking in general (lots of stupid people love their cigs although that is just a personal opinion of people in Chicago and Tampa). Maybe if ingested another way say eating weed it wouldn't be so harmful on the IQ.
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There is no magic age for weed, it all depends on the mind. If you have flexed your mind and become open-minded and very self aware, then it shouldn't cause any harm. 16-18 is usually the best age that minimizes the harm (like there are any). Besides, why smoke dat shit? Use a bong or vaporizer, much healthier. Or make some brownies :)))
(Not saying this from a personal experience, but science does say vaporization is much healthier. Smoke isn't healthy no matter whats burning)
They just said that anytime before 18 when the brain is developing still is harmful Meme9
That includes alcohol and other drugs, but this study was geared towards Weed.
Also instant happiness???? Isn't that what video games and puppies are for?
Anytime before 24 is detrimental to your growth, not just 18; cigs, beer or weed. It's not as bad when you're 18-24 because your mind is more developed then, but it's not done growing.
+Have you ever tried video games or puppies, ON WEEEEEED?
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There is no magic age for weed, it all depends on the mind. If you have flexed your mind and become open-minded and very self aware, then it shouldn't cause any harm. 16-18 is usually the best age that minimizes the harm (like there are any). Besides, why smoke dat shit? Use a bong or vaporizer, much healthier. Or make some brownies :)))
(Not saying this from a personal experience, but science does say vaporization is much healthier. Smoke isn't healthy no matter whats burning)
They just said that anytime before 18 when the brain is developing still is harmful Meme9
That includes alcohol and other drugs, but this study was geared towards Weed.
Also instant happiness???? Isn't that what video games and puppies are for?
Anytime before 24 is detrimental to your growth, not just 18; cigs, beer or weed. It's not as bad when you're 18-24 because your mind is more developed then, but it's not done growing.
+Have you ever tried video games or puppies, ON WEEEEEED?
how does one try puppies?
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There is no magic age for weed, it all depends on the mind. If you have flexed your mind and become open-minded and very self aware, then it shouldn't cause any harm. 16-18 is usually the best age that minimizes the harm (like there are any). Besides, why smoke dat shit? Use a bong or vaporizer, much healthier. Or make some brownies :)))
(Not saying this from a personal experience, but science does say vaporization is much healthier. Smoke isn't healthy no matter whats burning)
They just said that anytime before 18 when the brain is developing still is harmful Meme9
That includes alcohol and other drugs, but this study was geared towards Weed.
Also instant happiness???? Isn't that what video games and puppies are for?
Anytime before 24 is detrimental to your growth, not just 18; cigs, beer or weed. It's not as bad when you're 18-24 because your mind is more developed then, but it's not done growing.
+Have you ever tried video games or puppies, ON WEEEEEED?
how does one try puppies?
Wrap one in a large rizla and burn it.
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Gentlemen, stay on topic.
I do agree that there is no magic age but a general age range is 18-24. No two humans are the same so to pin it down to 1 number would not work. Even a range is sketchy but at least it can server as guideline better than an age.
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Guise did u knoe w33d is totally ilegal in teh wrold?! U shld b a gud chrstn and nt smoek plnts cause god siad thts a sin nd yu wld go to hell!
Towersheep is right, and doing anything while developing is bad, look at fetal alcohol syndrome, while not weed, poses a similiar argument, besides the fact FAS is proven (maybe?).
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Oh how it's beginning to piss me off when people modify my posts for bad reasons. Fine, I will expand because it looks like people are actually trying to see both sides of the argument. IQ isn't entirely reliable but it's defiantly something to pay attention to. Consider this, most people when they use THC don't really feel like working hard and usually goof around. Not paying attention in school leads to missing things which leads to questions you cannot answer. Now for the sake of people who claim they (and others) can do weed and still function normally if not better you must remember there are extremes to every trend.
So, to summarise the reason why I think weed might lower your IQ if you do it as a teen is because of how you may be affected in school.
I'm not going to take part in this debate because there are too many people in CG that get ragey when you tell them that smoking is dumb but, the C in BBC stands for corporation. kthxbai
Smoking IS stupid, but they know that too and need to defend themselves. Video games are equally as stupid as getting wasted every night, smoking weed with a bunch of people, or having sex with random people because you're lusting for them. Honestly... If people get angry because someone holds a different opinion then them, they shouldn't even be able to debate. Keeping a cool-head during these things are required, otherwise Cadaver has to punish... And Cadaver doesn't like to punish.
Thank you Boxman.
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I was going to get butthurt over this thread BUT!
THEN I GOT HIGH.. THEN I GOT HIGH THEN I GOT HIIIIGHHH
I was going to clean my room......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thifYDl07IE