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Title: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Water Mitigation on February 01, 2011, 01:33:49 PM
It is difficult to see the role of a spiritual person in the modern world. Everyone seems to contribute something in this world. A teacher imparts knowledge to the people, a scientist invents new knowledge, a technologist put into use the technical knowledge, a king rules, a soldier fights and so on. Everyone seems to have some role in the world. What does a spiritual person do?
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Yahtzee on February 01, 2011, 01:41:10 PM
Another fucking religion post.... Great..
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Skieski on February 01, 2011, 02:12:24 PM
A spiritual person, if anything, contributes to the ultimate destruction of said society. If by spiritual you are referring to the typical "There is a deity above us that rules everything".

But yes, mainly, I doubt a spiritual person could contribute anything POSITIVE to a society.

Ask yourself, why is it hard for a spiritual person to find a place for himself or herself in nowadays society?
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Atom on February 01, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
A spiritual person, if anything, contributes to the ultimate destruction of said society. If by spiritual you are referring to the typical "There is a deity above us that rules everything".

But yes, mainly, I doubt a spiritual person could contribute anything POSITIVE to a society.

Ask yourself, why is it hard for a spiritual person to find a place for himself or herself in nowadays society?

Your small minded. How about contributing peace?
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Ghast on February 01, 2011, 04:52:01 PM
Spiritual people have no utilitarian purpose in the world; on par with conspiracists and people alike. They are just fools blinded by their own fear of death who manifest their insecurities with "religion".

It is difficult to see the role of a spiritual person in the modern world. Everyone seems to contribute something in this world. A teacher imparts knowledge to the people, a scientist invents new knowledge, a technologist put into use the technical knowledge, a king rules, a soldier fights and so on. Everyone seems to have some role in the world. What does a spiritual person do?

First of all, knowledge is not invented; it is only transferred.
Second, what the fuck is a technologist?
And lastly, you are correct spiritual people have no purpose in this world. As history recalls, Roman-Catholics were at fault for the Dark Ages in the 14th century. 'Portal' might not have been a game today if it weren't for them.



Your small minded. How about contributing peace?

"You're" small minded. Peace is a ridiculous concept. Cessation to violence, enmity, or death is impossible. Peace is merely the absence of hate.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 01, 2011, 07:47:38 PM
THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE EVERY SOCIETY NEEDS A TOKEN CHILD MOLESTOR.

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Your small minded. How about contributing peace?
Spiritual people don't do jack fucking shit to contribute to peace.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on February 01, 2011, 08:09:21 PM
They help other spiritual people get along?
Honestly they have no purposeful value in life. Maybe yoga ornaome shit if you call that spiritual.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Pillz on February 01, 2011, 10:04:35 PM
Lot's of things serve no importance. There are thousands of worthless things we all do, as a society. Like playing checkers, collecting shit, listening to music, drawing pictures when your bored, chatting on forums, playing video games, or for some people, praying to that guy up in the clouds, perhaps practicing wicca, or meditating. Etc.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Holy on February 02, 2011, 03:13:47 AM
Thanks to all of you for calling me a worthless piece of shit, no really, I appreciate it. Good job.

Spiritual people don't contribute anything huh?
- http://community.ob.org/site/PageServer (http://community.ob.org/site/PageServer) (Opporation Blessing)
- http://www.ehow.com/how_4660144_receive-church-donations.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_4660144_receive-church-donations.html) (Helps the needy)
- http://atgrace.com/counseling (http://atgrace.com/counseling) (Free counseling/therapy)

These people are good people and I don't appreciate the insults you all just stated.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Atom on February 02, 2011, 03:29:43 AM
Thanks to all of you for calling me a worthless piece of shit, no really, I appreciate it. Good job.

Spiritual people don't contribute anything huh?
- http://community.ob.org/site/PageServer (http://community.ob.org/site/PageServer) (Opporation Blessing)
- http://www.ehow.com/how_4660144_receive-church-donations.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_4660144_receive-church-donations.html) (Helps the needy)
- http://atgrace.com/counseling (http://atgrace.com/counseling) (Free counseling/therapy)

These people are good people and I don't appreciate the insults you all just stated.

My point exactly. Spirituality people contribute peace like i said.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on February 02, 2011, 03:36:52 AM
Well actually now that I see/remeber that i realized my statement was a little ignorant.
Anyways, everything has a purpose for something. Just becuase it doesn't serve some people well (atheists so to say in this matter) doesn't mean they don't contribute. It's more or less a person to person thing. Churches can have free dinner nights or soup kitchens and shit to help poor people. Sure, it's not going to cure poor people dying of starvation but they are serving to a good purpose of helping people. Tell me that isn't contributing for a purpose.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 02, 2011, 04:13:31 AM
Churches don't host free dinner nights because they believe in God.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Atom on February 02, 2011, 04:18:48 AM
THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE EVERY SOCIETY NEEDS A TOKEN CHILD MOLESTOR.

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Your small minded. How about contributing peace?
Spiritual people don't do jack fucking shit to contribute to peace.

Read holy's post underneath then talk to me. I'm expecting an apology with your reply.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 02, 2011, 04:36:24 AM
You're right. It was poorly worded. Let me rephrase: Religious belief does have jack fucking shit effect on whether or not you contribute to peace.

I'm not sorry.

Quote from: Ghast
Roman-Catholics were at fault for the Dark Ages in the 14th century
Christianity was not at fault for the Dark Ages. The Church was a key factor in the emergence of the Dark Ages from around 800 CE onward. A lot of credit for the university as an institution goes to the Church, and for good reason. By the fourteenth century, Europe was in the High Middle Ages and on the brink of Rebirth.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Atom on February 02, 2011, 05:12:18 AM
You're right. It was poorly worded. Let me rephrase: Religious belief does have jack fucking shit effect on whether or not you contribute to peace.

I'm not sorry.

Quote from: Ghast
Roman-Catholics were at fault for the Dark Ages in the 14th century
Christianity was not at fault for the Dark Ages. The Church was a key factor in the emergence of the Dark Ages from around 800 CE onward. A lot of credit for the university as an institution goes to the Church, and for good reason. By the fourteenth century, Europe was in the High Middle Ages and on the brink of Rebirth.

Yes you are not sorry. You are just completely retarded. There is no cure for someone like you. No point in helping you to not being so ignorant.  :-\
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 02, 2011, 06:06:17 AM
Take any given religion and you can isolate its convictions regarding the divine from its convictions regarding ethics.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Dinomoto on February 02, 2011, 11:25:39 AM
Atom this is Crypto, get used to it and dont retaliate.

-Peace
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Ghast on February 02, 2011, 11:27:45 AM
I may be benighted, but I get shit done.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Pillz on February 02, 2011, 02:03:05 PM
I believe it all comes down to the rationality of the spiritual people. Because sure, the religious nuts who preach hatred to everyone and fuel their religious beliefs with anger, are detrimental to the peace of our society, but the ones who sit in their church, and preach to the people who WANT to hear them, I have no problem with. A church should never be a hateful place, it should be the epitome of peace. Sure the shit the preach isn't always flowers and butteflys, but the people usually are. Even if they're terrible people on the inside, at church you're just kind, and yeah. Peaceful.

That's fine with me. I don't believe peace originates out of religion, but neither does pure destruction and hatred.

TL:DR - Peace/NoPeace = user bias?
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 02, 2011, 05:08:08 PM
Atom this is Crypto, get used to it and respond with logic or evidence.

-War, bichez
Fixed.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Holy on February 02, 2011, 08:21:38 PM
What's the point of handing evidence to someone who is too blinded by their bias against it? My favorite line in the bible is "Don't cast your pearls before swine."
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Cadaver on February 02, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
Its like this: Cadaver, being your Global Moderator in the forum, has faith you will all abide by the rules, as they are simple and easily read.  His actions bring civility to the forums, by minimizing drama, trolling, and overall butthurt. His cleansing of the posts are keeping the spirit of a civil society (CG) alive. He is saddened and dissapoint at those who break his faith by breaking the rules.  Yet, he still tries to keep his faith...

Good enough analogy?  Perhaps.  But, most will only noticed I typed "anal" in the post.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 02, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
What's the point of handing evidence to someone who is too blinded by their bias against it? My favorite line in the bible is "Don't cast your pearls before swine."
It's not a matter of bias. Like I said, you can take any religion and isolate its beliefs about the divine from its ethical views. You failed to refute that point—speaking of bias, that's pretty grotesque on your part. Which makes you biased and hypocritical.

My favorite line in the Bible is the part where God kills every last firstborn son in Egypt simply because the pharaoh was an asshole . . . along with SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE and all the other plagues God dropped on Egypt's head. Yup, that's justice right there. I also like the bit where St. Paul degrades women by telling them to be subordinate to their husbands. Oh, and the obliteration of Sodom and Gomorrah is awesome. And God's little social experiment where he sees if Abraham is willing to kill his own son out of loyalty to God. I also love the part where God condemns any person who touches Mt. Sinai to death—yup, a heap of rocks is totally more valuable than human life, which was supposed to have been God's most beloved creation. The animal violence is great, too: punishing an ox for goring a slave by stoning it to death—gotta teach those evil sneaky oxen a lesson, goddamn it!

Yeah, God is a pretty great guy. <3

Thank you for smoking.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Holy on February 02, 2011, 11:24:37 PM
It isn't bias, I've listed factual websites which have shown people of faith benefiting people where as all you have contributed to this topic, and any religion based topic for that matter, is an off topic rant about your own snotty self-righteous ideas.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: crypto on February 03, 2011, 01:08:19 AM
Evidently you are illiterate. Goes along nicely with your irrationality.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Ghast on February 03, 2011, 01:44:40 AM
Crypto, I swear to god some of the things you say will be in history books.


God damn..  frogc00l
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Atom on February 03, 2011, 01:58:54 AM
I think you are both nuts in the head considering that you guys are making references from the bible. Again... there are like a million different versions of the bible all written by man. Can't trust that book.
Title: Re: Role of a Spiritual Person in a Civil Society
Post by: Jorgen on February 03, 2011, 09:19:38 AM
Its like this: Cadaver, being your Global Moderator in the forum, has faith you will all abide by the rules, as they are simple and easily read.  His actions bring civility to the forums, by minimizing drama, trolling, and overall butthurt. His cleansing of the posts are keeping the spirit of a civil society (CG) alive. He is saddened and dissapoint at those who break his faith by breaking the rules.  Yet, he still tries to keep his faith...

Good enough analogy?  Perhaps.  But, most will only noticed I typed "anal" in the post.
Wut where is this anal!??!?!?! oh right analogy...

I understand that CG is filled to the brim with trolls so it is gonna be a hard job caddie xD
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