Holy hell that's a lot of evidence. How long has this been going in for? Because I dont ever recall having problems with him when I played (like 2 months ago).
Holy hell that's a lot of evidence. How long has this been going in for? Because I dont ever recall having problems with him when I played (like 2 months ago).
I've heard so many horror stories of what Billy does when nobodies there to watch him. The most common thing I've heard of is him RDMing/TeamKilling and refusing to slay himself, but the moment someone kills him it's an instant slay.
I've heard numerous complaints of RDM but with no evidence.
Finally someone's got some proof that might put this to rest. I don't believe this is a +1/-1 situation Rainbow, this seems like something that is up to Cortez and/or the CLs, unless one of those folks says I'm wrong on this of course.
no one, and I mean NO ONE told me about ANY of this prior to this thread. How am I supposed to know that what I'm doing is bad if no one tells me?
For whatever reasons, I think Billy is still a friend of the community; and do not think he deserves a permaban. Removal of his admin would be a sufficient enough punishment, and at the most I can see a 3 month ban making sense.
no one, and I mean NO ONE told me about ANY of this prior to this thread. How am I supposed to know that what I'm doing is bad if no one tells me?
That is complete bullshit. When I was playing on the map with all the toys and stuff, (where you're tiny and shit) I told you about the rdm you did to me, Ralph, and I think Scooby did as well. So don't make bullshit excuses and try and get out of this.
You're an admin Billy and should know the rules. Not to mention actually enforce them. A lot of the above came from other admins who went undercover.
Yes, I do know the rules, and yes - I do enforce them. What does that have to do with anything?
Yes, I do know the rules, and yes - I do enforce them. What does that have to do with anything?
The above evidence is of you breaking the rules. Ergo if you know the rules and enforce them, you should not have broken them as the OP shows
Steam conversations with non-admins: http://imgur.com/a/uMwNo (http://imgur.com/a/uMwNo)
I can't speak for the first two, but the last one was HerpDerpMike (I spoke with him earlier) and he said those complaints were before he spoke to me about those things, and I stopped after and he hasn't had any complaints since.
Various Screenshots and reasons. These belong to other people and do not originate from me:
"I noticed the TTT server was populated. Decided to check who was on. Saw Billy had a -13 score. Came on to this:"
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50006.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50006.jpg)
This was a very circumstantial map. My karma was low due to RDMs that happened in self-defense. False callouts, others RDMing and people shooting barrels that I was holding.
"Here are a few demos (.dem files) I recorded while Billy was on the server. He was eventually banned for glitching on Christmas Town after we - X and I - warned the entire server multiple times not to go on the roof."
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_2.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_2.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_3.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_3.dem)
None of these are of me glitching on Christmastown.. And none of these show evidence of me breaking any rules, either.
side note: I've only been on the roof once, and it went down like this: I went on the roof, jumped up and down, then killed myself and went afk. I was banned by Merrill for 60 minutes for it. Yes yes, I understand, I should never have gone on the roof in the first place. I won't do that again. For any reason.
"He did not do his job on the server at all. There was an RDM and Leave I reported twice (files below) that he did not do anything about. I doubt he was even getting logs, as there were multiple instances where I would have slain - or banned - someone and he did not take any action, including reports of RDM. He barely used admin chat or his own chat, if at all, to circumvent any mic spamming/singing or rulebreaking, and even went so far as to sing himself multiple times. He was also part of RDM at least once or twice, either on the giving or receiving end, or watched RDM occur and didn't take care of it."
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0007.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0007.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0008.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0008.jpg)
Did you guys even see these screenshots? Unsub killed someone first, and THEN I started damaging him. How is this RDM? And then you can clearly see, Wellrgr crowbars me (they do 20 damage) and I killed him for it. Once again: HOW IS THIS EVIDENCE? WHERE DID I RDM? This is the reason why I feel like this thread is biased towards me, for no reason.
A bunch of screenshots about Billy:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iLVZKd2J2aGVfTm8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iLVZKd2J2aGVfTm8/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRkc0R0lFQlNDQ0k/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRkc0R0lFQlNDQ0k/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iOF9jMFQ3WWtGUVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iOF9jMFQ3WWtGUVU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ibkdLVEZCVHdGbkU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ibkdLVEZCVHdGbkU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ickk2RnlmajJJd0U/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ickk2RnlmajJJd0U/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iNmJ5VUFfV0ZIN0k/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iNmJ5VUFfV0ZIN0k/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iajB3SjZseGlSeE0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iajB3SjZseGlSeE0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX2NibV9DVzVxek0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX2NibV9DVzVxek0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRVlIeWxTNUpPN00/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRVlIeWxTNUpPN00/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ia1E4dk9kcjFoRkk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ia1E4dk9kcjFoRkk/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iQWw0M1ZzSmVXQTA/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iQWw0M1ZzSmVXQTA/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iY293OWhMNHNhcDQ/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iY293OWhMNHNhcDQ/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iU1I2dkNuWjdiR0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iU1I2dkNuWjdiR0E/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX1RRaWc0M3FuSnc/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX1RRaWc0M3FuSnc/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieWtsRjJJY2d1M2c/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieWtsRjJJY2d1M2c/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idDBIcmt4eGFXRUU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idDBIcmt4eGFXRUU/edit?usp=sharing)
This is a lot of screenshots. I'm not going to review every single one of them. I've looked at all of them, and I've seen that 10/15 of them do not show be breaking any rules at all. TEN OUT OF FIFTEEN. The other five are screenshots of my karma, my steam id, and one of them (the comment about the black man penis) was very stupid of me, and I'm sorry for that, but I've never used admin chat for stupid things like that after.
.dem Files
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iZzVFV19GY2RUT1E/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iZzVFV19GY2RUT1E/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iVWlwblgtOHBpZm8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iVWlwblgtOHBpZm8/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iUU84aFJXV20wQUE/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iUU84aFJXV20wQUE/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSk13YXVfZzE0RDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSk13YXVfZzE0RDg/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieXdpQ01lWV9mWVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieXdpQ01lWV9mWVU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idVViRW9FRVVuVFU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idVViRW9FRVVuVFU/edit?usp=sharing)
I watched every single one of these .dems and literally none of them show evidence of me breaking rules.
Some damage logs
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iT201Vm1ySDQxZE0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iT201Vm1ySDQxZE0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieGt2OVZweGwtNDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieGt2OVZweGwtNDg/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSVZ0YVVFQ0UxQkk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSVZ0YVVFQ0UxQkk/edit?usp=sharing)
Only one of these - the first one - show honest evidence of RDM. I don't know why I damaged that guy, it was a very long time ago. But is one RDM a ban and removal of powers? I don't believe so. The second one is just my steam id. no evidence there. The third one shows that I was a detective. One kill, I have no idea why I killed that guy, so that's one RDM. I'm not even going to give myself the benefit of the doubt and say he was doing something traitorous. Let's just say I flat-out RDMed him. The second one I killed was a traitor. Chances are I attacked him because he pulled out a traitor weapon? As you can see, he killed me without me doing any more damage to him after, so he probably had an AK, or something. Once again -- not evidence.
This is concerning the recent ban
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50008.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50008.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50007.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50007.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20009.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20009.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20010.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20010.jpg)
I've already explained this. In the first one, TastyBagel was false KOS'd, so I killed him. Milkman attacked him too - and me - in what I assume is crossfire. The second one shows that I've killed two people -- where? in a basement filled with barrels. I've already told you, and they can confirm, it was late at night, not many people were on and we were playing with the barrels. The third one isn't evidence, it's just a picture of my banning. The fourth one is me slapping paperclips and bagels after the round was over - and they were okay with it. How is this evidence?
More .dem
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_2.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_2.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_3.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_3.dem)
Additional comments:
I haven't personally taken a look at any of the .dem files but they supposedly relate to the case.
A lot of this isn't necessarily abuse of power's,
Read this. Nexus didn't even look at these. He says here, himself, he has no idea if these are even valid or not.
but reasons he shouldn't have admin privileges.
With what I just said, he clearly hasn't seen the dems, so he can't really say if they're reasons or not.
His admin needs to be removed, period. Stop acting so innocent Billy. Using "no one told me what I was doing is wrong", is not an excuse. You've been here longer than lots of us, you fully well know the rules and instead of breaking them, you should be enforcing them.
Wait a Second, 4 Years and yet you still troll, rdm, and break rulez. WOW. also You enforcing the rules has basically everything to do with you, and everything that has been here. But, 4 years should mean that you will not rdm, or any other type of bannable offense that you have. From some of these they are quite recent. So either you had amnesia for the past 4 years or something.no one, and I mean NO ONE told me about ANY of this prior to this thread. How am I supposed to know that what I'm doing is bad if no one tells me?
That is complete bullshit. When I was playing on the map with all the toys and stuff, (where you're tiny and shit) I told you about the rdm you did to me, Ralph, and I think Scooby did as well. So don't make bullshit excuses and try and get out of this.
What? What are you even talking about? Do you have some sort of grudge against me? I don't even know you - I've played with you maybe once or twice, and whatever I did to you, it apparently isn't as bad as you're making it out to be, since you never reported it or, idunno, brought it up with be in PMs on steam or on the forums. I may have RDMed you once or twice - I can't really recall, but are you meaning to tell me I didn't slay myself after? We might have a miscommunication here. Maybe you felt that you were RDMed, and I felt it was justified, or something. I don't know. But I'm not here to make your game any less fun, so I apologize, but attacking me and accusing me of lying isn't nice. I have no reason to lie on the internet - especially not on CG, where I've devoted over four years of my life to.
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EDIT:You're an admin Billy and should know the rules. Not to mention actually enforce them. A lot of the above came from other admins who went undercover.
Yes, I do know the rules, and yes - I do enforce them. What does that have to do with anything?
Wait a Second, 4 Years and yet you still troll, rdm, and break rulez. WOW. also You enforcing the rules has basically everything to do with you, and everything that has been here. But, 4 years should mean that you will not rdm, or any other type of bannable offense that you have. From some of these they are quite recent. So either you had amnesia for the past 4 years or something.
While what Billy did was distasteful, there is something else that bothers me in this situation. Why did no admin talk to Billy and say "Hey, you're doing a shit job." It seems like a few admins/regs were out to get him. We didnt have to go as far as filing abuse claims when this should have been caught log ago. When I worked with Billy he was doing a fine job.Yeah this feels fishy. I personally have had no problems with Billy that come to mind, hell I remember dragging him to TTT a few times too. Of course this was when I had admin on TTT.
Wait a Second, 4 Years and yet you still troll, rdm, and break rulez. WOW. also You enforcing the rules has basically everything to do with you, and everything that has been here. But, 4 years should mean that you will not rdm, or any other type of bannable offense that you have. From some of these they are quite recent. So either you had amnesia for the past 4 years or something.
I've never seen anything majorly bad from you, maybe one or two small things, but nothing much and nothing OTT, maybe once or twice with you not slaying but that was all sorted, but this many people cant have heard all the same report now, can they?
I've never seen anything majorly bad from you, maybe one or two small things, but nothing much and nothing OTT, maybe once or twice with you not slaying but that was all sorted, but this many people cant have heard all the same report now, can they?
See, but this is where you get debunked:
THIS MANY PEOPLE? Count the thread. There are THREE people against me. MrRainbow, Chris, and TicTac. Notice how the three of them are people that are known to dislike me. I have reason to believe Nexus isn't even posting this on his own behalf, because we haven't even played together in months upon months. Everyone else posting here either didn't even know about it (probably because literally more than half of it is false), or is defending me. Now why is that? You even said yourself you've never seen anything majorly bad from me -- because I've never done anything worth a thread like this. One or two small things here and there, that I've fixed and apologized for -- things everyone goes through.
Hey sweetie, I'm not against you, I've literally made 1 post and it isn't even my own statement, I stated that it was what I had heard from multiple people.
So how about you don't try to make this personal by stating it's because I don't like you. I stay away from you because we don't get along, I'm simple adding what I've heard to the thread.
I even stated.
"The most common thing I've heard" That's not me stating "This is what I've seen" It's me saying what I've heard and I've heard it from multiple people hence the reason I added it.
Steam conversations with non-admins: http://imgur.com/a/uMwNo (http://imgur.com/a/uMwNo)A conversation between *Censored* and *Censored* is not proof, we have no idea who the two are talking, for all we know they can be Alt Accounts or two people with grudges against him.
Various Screenshots and reasons. These belong to other people and do not originate from me:I have had worst with good reasons. Hell theres been a few jokes where I will legitly and accidentaly get to 666 Karma.
"I noticed the TTT server was populated. Decided to check who was on. Saw Billy had a -13 score. Came on to this:"
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50006.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50006.jpg)
"Here are a few demos (.dem files) I recorded while Billy was on the server. He was eventually banned for glitching on Christmas Town after we - X and I - warned the entire server multiple times not to go on the roof."I don't have gmod installed anymore, because its an addiction to me so I cant review the .dem but others say that it proves nothing, check it out for yourselves or someone upload it to youtube please.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01.dem)[/url]
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_2.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_2.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_3.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_3.dem)
"He did not do his job on the server at all. There was an RDM and Leave I reported twice (files below) that he did not do anything about. I doubt he was even getting logs, as there were multiple instances where I would have slain - or banned - someone and he did not take any action, including reports of RDM. He barely used admin chat or his own chat, if at all, to circumvent any mic spamming/singing or rulebreaking, and even went so far as to sing himself multiple times. He was also part of RDM at least once or twice, either on the giving or receiving end, or watched RDM occur and didn't take care of it."All I see is an apeship detective nothing here reads activity or inactivity.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0007.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0007.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0008.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0008.jpg)
A bunch of screenshots about Billy:I see no admin abuse and the only Neglect is Either Commiting suicide or Allowing someone to play with the name Billy while he is also Billy.https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iLVZKd2J2aGVfTm8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iLVZKd2J2aGVfTm8/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRkc0R0lFQlNDQ0k/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRkc0R0lFQlNDQ0k/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iOF9jMFQ3WWtGUVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iOF9jMFQ3WWtGUVU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ibkdLVEZCVHdGbkU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ibkdLVEZCVHdGbkU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ickk2RnlmajJJd0U/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ickk2RnlmajJJd0U/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iNmJ5VUFfV0ZIN0k/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iNmJ5VUFfV0ZIN0k/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iajB3SjZseGlSeE0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iajB3SjZseGlSeE0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX2NibV9DVzVxek0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX2NibV9DVzVxek0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRVlIeWxTNUpPN00/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRVlIeWxTNUpPN00/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ia1E4dk9kcjFoRkk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ia1E4dk9kcjFoRkk/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iQWw0M1ZzSmVXQTA/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iQWw0M1ZzSmVXQTA/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iY293OWhMNHNhcDQ/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iY293OWhMNHNhcDQ/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iU1I2dkNuWjdiR0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iU1I2dkNuWjdiR0E/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX1RRaWc0M3FuSnc/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX1RRaWc0M3FuSnc/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieWtsRjJJY2d1M2c/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieWtsRjJJY2d1M2c/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idDBIcmt4eGFXRUU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idDBIcmt4eGFXRUU/edit?usp=sharing)
.dem FilesSame as other Dems, youtube plox.https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iZzVFV19GY2RUT1E/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iZzVFV19GY2RUT1E/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iVWlwblgtOHBpZm8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iVWlwblgtOHBpZm8/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iUU84aFJXV20wQUE/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iUU84aFJXV20wQUE/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSk13YXVfZzE0RDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSk13YXVfZzE0RDg/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieXdpQ01lWV9mWVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieXdpQ01lWV9mWVU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idVViRW9FRVVuVFU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idVViRW9FRVVuVFU/edit?usp=sharing)
Some damage logsI see nothing of Admin abuse or neglecthttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iT201Vm1ySDQxZE0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iT201Vm1ySDQxZE0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieGt2OVZweGwtNDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieGt2OVZweGwtNDg/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSVZ0YVVFQ0UxQkk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSVZ0YVVFQ0UxQkk/edit?usp=sharing)
This is concerning the recent banAll I see that can be bad is the post round slap, but that is allowed if they Do not protest it.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50008.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50008.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50007.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50007.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20009.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20009.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20010.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20010.jpg)
More .demSame as before Youtube plox.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_2.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_2.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_3.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_3.dem)
Chris, Rainbow and Tic may have personal dislike towards you to some degree, but they're not providing any evidence. They're just saying accounts of what they've heard. They're not saying they know it for a fact. And I have heard a lot about you before, as well, so you can see why it makes me lean a little to the admin removal - unban is needed though.Hence why I wan't people to look at the Demos and see if they truly are Evidence of any wrong doings. This is incredibly fishy especially since several of us haven't heard anything about this.
While I trust Nexus and Death, and know that they know what would happen if found falsifying evidence, I also can't help the feeling of something fishy going on.
Chris, Rainbow and Tic may have personal dislike towards you to some degree, but they're not providing any evidence. They're just saying accounts of what they've heard. They're not saying they know it for a fact. And I have heard a lot about you before, as well, so you can see why it makes me lean a little to the admin removal - unban is needed though.Hence why I wan't people to look at the Demos and see if they truly are Evidence of any wrong doings. This is incredibly fishy especially since several of us haven't heard anything about this.
While I trust Nexus and Death, and know that they know what would happen if found falsifying evidence, I also can't help the feeling of something fishy going on.
Several TTT Admins, Regulars and people that still talk to TTT Regs and Admins have never heard of this before. And it feels out of the blue, it looks like no one brought this up due to a grudge/hate of Billy and waited till they could nail him hard, but a lot of this is not evidence.Chris, Rainbow and Tic may have personal dislike towards you to some degree, but they're not providing any evidence. They're just saying accounts of what they've heard. They're not saying they know it for a fact. And I have heard a lot about you before, as well, so you can see why it makes me lean a little to the admin removal - unban is needed though.Hence why I wan't people to look at the Demos and see if they truly are Evidence of any wrong doings. This is incredibly fishy especially since several of us haven't heard anything about this.
While I trust Nexus and Death, and know that they know what would happen if found falsifying evidence, I also can't help the feeling of something fishy going on.
I don't understand what's fishy though, people just think he doesn't act how admins are expected to act and he broke a few minor rules as if they weren't rules at all. There's just A LOT of evidence to sort through.
Billy~ The issue is that you've acted poorly as an admin and while I agree you should of been warned or talked to before a conversation like this picks up, but for some reason I've been hearing people complain about you for a month or two now. I had assumed someone had mentioned it to you by now, and I'm sorry you're just finding this out. It's not as much about breaking the rules as it is acting in a way people don't approve.
I've always believed that you're a cool guy capable of being admin, but I think you haven't taken the job too seriously and apparently it's really bothered some people. The first issue I heard was your inactivity as admin, many people were upset you had gone so long without playing, which helped us work on activity patrols; making sure admins are playing and we began removing inactive vets.
After that discussion I also picked up on RDM issues and propkilling issues from a few months back, followed by more current reports; and perhaps someone does have it out for you. Perhaps you upset an admin or two along the way without knowing you did any harm, and while I understand that's a little unfair; the things shown here look bad combined with your crude jokes and RDM reports.
I know you mean the best Billy, and I don't believe you should be banned at all and I would like to give you a second chance on being admin given you received no fair warnings. Though I also believe we should set an example for all admins and let them know if they fool around and misrepresent how to be an admin, they'll lose their admin. We've been EXTREMELY lenient in the past about what admins can get away with, and we want to really tighten that up, for CL's and admins alike.
If we were on a 3-strike system, inactivity would of been one(which was cleared with Cortez I understand), propkilling or w/e would of been two, using admin chat to talk about black cawk, 3, accidental or purposeful RDM, 4, and I'll guess there might be a strike 5 or 6 in there on someone's list. Not that any of that's too serious at all, but it's a small stack of problems that needed to be addressed. We don't want ANY of our admins doing these things and if we let one person get away with it.. well..
Yo back when I was admining..the only thing they had a problem with billy was activity. To gather this much evidence means that either Billy was totally oblivious(which I doubt) or people where like gathering up all the bad things he did. Like all admins have missteps it is so easy to get dmglogs and chatlogs out of context.
I do feel it is rather unfair that Billy was not warned about the minor things he did. I know that Billy just wants people to have a better playing experience in TTT.
On the other hand. Billy, you have been here for 4 years. You should know better and know the rules by now. I have had a couple of instances where you propkilled someone or just flat-out RDM'd. I still haven't forgotten that one incident on Richland where you slap-killed me not once, but twice DURING a round. That's just inexcusable.
Over the course of the past year I have played TTT with you, there have been both positive and negative experiences. But as of recently, the negatives have been growing slowly.
Should you be banned? No I don't think that is right. Should you be stripped of admin powers? Personally, I am on the fence for this one. I have actually watched most of the demos/looked at the screenshots. Some of them are inconclusive while others are somewhat convincing.
I think this would be a very good opportunity to make a request to add SourceTV to TTT and record the server 24/7 so we can get full game demos to see just what is happening in the time before and after player-recorded demos.
I will say however, people need to stop saying that we didn't warn him. He has been around for so long, he knows the rules, he knows the game play. If say a trial did something once or even twice, a talking to makes sense. Billy is a regular admin, hes a big boy and doesn't need any sort of warning before he (or any reg/vet/HA/CL) starts to abuse/break rules etc.
Still need to look at the evidence, so with holding judgement.
The thing is, Crow, that's not the point I'm trying to make. I know I don't need a warning before I break rules. I'm not saying I never got a "You can't RDM, it's against the rules." What I AM saying is I never got a, "I don't think you know this but you broke _ rule here, and I don't like it". I'm talking about after the fact. If you read the logs and watch the demos you'll see that it's evidence at all. I think it's not the rdm here, but the things that I've done are very gray zone, and people had complaints, but they never told me about it, so I continued to do distasteful things, oblivious to the fact that people did not agree.
You've been an admin forever, do we really need to hold your hand? We don't hold anybody elses, minus the trials. You should be aware of the rules, and should know if your breaking them.
So still haven't seen the evidence, but honestly, if there are no major abuses, he should just get suspended. I would classify a major abuse as:
-Slaying for no reason, or little reason.
-Any abuse of powers during the round (after round is ilrevelent IMO
-RDMing, then not enforcing rules on ones self, as well as any other rules that are broken that require enforcement.
-Using admin as a threat (a real threat, not fake ones)
-Total inactivity. Not in the sense of being away but not enforcing rules.
-Only enforcing rules when somebody breaks them when they directly relate to an admin.
Concerning actual inactivity, why didn't you just resign? If your not going to play the game, or don't have the time, whats the use of having the powers when that's actually what the server needs? I can get one month, maybe two, but after three then its just a waste of an admin slot. Real life takes precedence over video games (more so in your case), so its totally understandable if you resign as such because you don't have the time.
My final 2 cents.The slaps are allowed post round if they are ok with it though, the screens with those slaps don't have any protesting to it, so it verry well could have been in fun with friends.
Alright, here's the deal. I'm going to cite 2 pieces of evidence. There is one where he slaps a guy a bunch for 0, and multiple incidences of admin chat abuse. I don't think these are punishable right now, but if anything like that happens again, we'll have an issue.
As far as I know, all this evidence is rather old. It's not my call to make a judgement on billy, but if I could, I might suspend for a short period of time, and watch him.
The slaps are allowed post round if they are ok with it though, the screens with those slaps don't have any protesting to it, so it verry well could have been in fun with friends.You are correct - my screenshot with the slaps is meant to show Billy leaving the server after an RDM, not him slapping people. The slaps were post-round. "Fun with friends" is debatable, but the slaps in question were not abuse.
-snip because long-
A few more notes.
Billy, I'm not out to get you. I may have been collecting all this evidence against you, but at first it was purely circumstantial. I happened to be recording and taking screenshots, and I noticed that you weren't doing your job correctly. I contacted someone else about it, rather than talking to you directly. As someone of the same rank I didn't see it to be my place to use this evidence against you, so I made sure someone knew about what was going on, and it turns out people did, and that's where this thread came from, I guess.
The moment in particular where I noticed you were -13 score, I was concerned, so I came on to see if you needed any help. Then I realized it was only you with such low karma and score, so I stayed, looked around, and from my point of view only saw some instances of RDM amongst playing with the two people who were apparently okay with you killing them and them killing you over explosive barrels. This is not my judgement call, but I think you need a reminder of what being an admin is about. TTT is supposed to be a game - fun, and admining it gets stressful at times, but ignoring your responsibilities, especially when you're the only admin on, means ruining other people's experiences because, unfortunately, TTT is a game where not having an admin on means free reign of RDM, revenge RDM, and rulebreaking. If you're going to act like a regular rather than an admin, why not become a regular rather than an admin?
You are an admin, which means you aren't above the rules, but you also have to enforce them. If this doesn't end with your suspension or a removal of your admin, here are a few notes for you: Investigate slays and bans more, re-read the rules and follow them more closely, and don't break them or promote breaking them.The slaps are allowed post round if they are ok with it though, the screens with those slaps don't have any protesting to it, so it verry well could have been in fun with friends.You are correct - my screenshot with the slaps is meant to show Billy leaving the server after an RDM, not him slapping people. The slaps were post-round. "Fun with friends" is debatable, but the slaps in question were not abuse.
TL;DR: The basis of my argument against Billy, if we should call it an argument, is that he is neglecting his rank rather than abusing it. He misses a lot of bans and slays, even when reported, and breaks some of the rules though he should know them by now.
And if he is undercover punishing for rdm would break his cover so its somewhat reasonable he wouldn't deal with rdm.
Actually it makes perfect sense. Think, what if your going after an aimbotter. Your trying to get evidence, then someone reports rdm when you are oh so close to get the fucker gone, do you deal with the rdm, which may even be false, getting the hackers attention, letting him turn off his hacks. OR do you ignore the possibly petty rdm and try to nail the SOB.And if he is undercover punishing for rdm would break his cover so its somewhat reasonable he wouldn't deal with rdm.
That really doesn't make any sense. You're still an admin, undercover or not; you can use ulx asay (@@) to admin if you want to keep your cover. It honestly sounds like you're just blindly defending Billy, Dante. When I'm undercover I still punish for rulebreaking, I just make sure they don't know it's me.
Various Screenshots and reasons. These belong to other people and do not originate from me:
"I noticed the TTT server was populated. Decided to check who was on. Saw Billy had a -13 score. Came on to this:"
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50006.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50006.jpg)
Not under 700 karma, not rules broken in that regard. Having a low score is not disallowed. Maybe he was crowbar fighting, maybe not. Not evidence of anything.
"Here are a few demos (.dem files) I recorded while Billy was on the server. He was eventually banned for glitching on Christmas Town after we - X and I - warned the entire server multiple times not to go on the roof."https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01.dem)Didn't watch demos. Going off of the description, should receive a ban for going on rooftop.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_2.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_2.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_3.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-25%2020-51-01_3.dem)
"He did not do his job on the server at all. There was an RDM and Leave I reported twice (files below) that he did not do anything about. I doubt he was even getting logs, as there were multiple instances where I would have slain - or banned - someone and he did not take any action, including reports of RDM. He barely used admin chat or his own chat, if at all, to circumvent any mic spamming/singing or rulebreaking, and even went so far as to sing himself multiple times. He was also part of RDM at least once or twice, either on the giving or receiving end, or watched RDM occur and didn't take care of it."
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0007.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0007.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0008.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_amsterville0008.jpg)
No evidence of a report for the RDM/Leave. Might be true, still not evidence.
A bunch of screenshots about Billy:https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iLVZKd2J2aGVfTm8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iLVZKd2J2aGVfTm8/edit?usp=sharing)I gave my opinon on the old evidence. It should've been posted 6 months ago. For the life of me I can't figure out why. If you think an admin is abusing, you don't let them keep abusing for 6 months.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRkc0R0lFQlNDQ0k/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRkc0R0lFQlNDQ0k/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iOF9jMFQ3WWtGUVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iOF9jMFQ3WWtGUVU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ibkdLVEZCVHdGbkU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ibkdLVEZCVHdGbkU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ickk2RnlmajJJd0U/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ickk2RnlmajJJd0U/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iNmJ5VUFfV0ZIN0k/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iNmJ5VUFfV0ZIN0k/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iajB3SjZseGlSeE0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iajB3SjZseGlSeE0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX2NibV9DVzVxek0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX2NibV9DVzVxek0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRVlIeWxTNUpPN00/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iRVlIeWxTNUpPN00/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ia1E4dk9kcjFoRkk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ia1E4dk9kcjFoRkk/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iQWw0M1ZzSmVXQTA/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iQWw0M1ZzSmVXQTA/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iY293OWhMNHNhcDQ/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iY293OWhMNHNhcDQ/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iU1I2dkNuWjdiR0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iU1I2dkNuWjdiR0E/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX1RRaWc0M3FuSnc/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iX1RRaWc0M3FuSnc/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieWtsRjJJY2d1M2c/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieWtsRjJJY2d1M2c/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idDBIcmt4eGFXRUU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idDBIcmt4eGFXRUU/edit?usp=sharing)
.dem Files
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iZzVFV19GY2RUT1E/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iZzVFV19GY2RUT1E/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iVWlwblgtOHBpZm8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iVWlwblgtOHBpZm8/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iUU84aFJXV20wQUE/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iUU84aFJXV20wQUE/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSk13YXVfZzE0RDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSk13YXVfZzE0RDg/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieXdpQ01lWV9mWVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieXdpQ01lWV9mWVU/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idVViRW9FRVVuVFU/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5idVViRW9FRVVuVFU/edit?usp=sharing)
I'm pretty sure these go with the screenshots as they're from about the same timeframe.
Some damage logs
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iT201Vm1ySDQxZE0/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iT201Vm1ySDQxZE0/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieGt2OVZweGwtNDg/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5ieGt2OVZweGwtNDg/edit?usp=sharing)
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSVZ0YVVFQ0UxQkk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bwevx6JGfM5iSVZ0YVVFQ0UxQkk/edit?usp=sharing)
Okay, for anyone who couldn't figure out what the hell these screenshots meant (like me), it's supposed to billy rdming and leaving (or so I think). I spent forever staring at the screenshot of the status, trying to figure out who billy was. Eventually looked up his steam ID and realized he wasn't on the list. He rdms someone in the logs. I'd be nice if you had annotated that this was supposed to be of an rdm/leave. I understand that this is 6 months old and you may not have remembered. That's okay. Billy probably doesn't remember either. Bad on Billy for RDM/Leaving. Should've been banned 6 months ago. Banning someone for something they did a long time ago doesn't sit right with me. It's like watching someone RDM and then waiting a whole map before slaying them. Still, terrible admin behavior.
This is concerning the recent ban
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50008.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50008.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50007.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b50007.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20009.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20009.jpg)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20010.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/ttt_wintermansion_beta20010.jpg)
This is very good evidence. I wish it was all like this :L
More .dem
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_2.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_2.dem)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_3.dem (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62501198/SenpaiBilly/dm_richland_notrap_b5%202013-12-28%2023-24-54_3.dem)
Didn't watch demos, if nexus couldn't be bothered neither could I.
When someone comes in and RDMs one or two people - and I'm talking blatant RDM - would you rather:That's not the way it should happen. The first is proper. They don't get a fair warning if they don't get punished. There's a reason the we have individual slays instead of waiting for 3 RDM's to straight up ban.
Slay them next round
or
Let them live the next round to see if they KEEP RDMing, and then ban them after for mass/continuous RDM?
Some of this evidence is good, some isn't evidence.
I don't like the whole wait-for-a-ton-of-evidence-to-pile-up-and-then-report strategy. I agree with billy, it seems a bit unfair. A lot of these screenshots are 6 months old. Were they reported 6 months ago? If Billy was punished, good. If not, why the hell wasn't the brought up 6 months ago? It becomes a bit unfair for the admin. They don't remember what happened with those damage logs. Maybe the server logs would shine some light on the situation. If we want to look at the logs, cortez has to go back 6 months. (If we even keep logs that old). As Billy said, maybe it wouldn't have ended up this way if those screenshots had been brought up six months ago.
This thread is a huge mess of evidence/not evidence. Don't just a slap a bunch of demos onto an abuse report without watching them hoping it'll get your guy removed.
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To sum it up: Don't punish him for anything 6 months old. That's stupid. It's your fault for not bringing it up when it was actually relevant. It sounds like he's prepared to act better as an admin. The fresh evidence shows him abusing /slap . Regardless of whether or not the targets are okay with it, /slap spam is annoying. Not any other abuse, unless I missed it. He was already banned for the recent RDM. Maybe his admin should be removed for breaking the rules. The abuse is very minor though. Doesn't have to be removed necessarily. Plenty of admins have been banned and remained admin before.
pre-edit: Sounds like bloodmage tried to report the 6 month old shit. Makes me very happy it wasn't just neglected evidence like I thought. It wasn't reported publicly though. It should have been handled, but it apparently wasn't. Guess that's a failure in leadership? If you want to make sure the admin acknowledges it, public abuse reports work great. Sounds like Billy didn't receive word he was abusing his admin back then. It still seems unfair to me that he would be punished now for something that happened then. Especially considering the leadership apparently had seen the evidence.
Pre-edit2When someone comes in and RDMs one or two people - and I'm talking blatant RDM - would you rather:That's not the way it should happen. The first is proper. They don't get a fair warning if they don't get punished. There's a reason the we have individual slays instead of waiting for 3 RDM's to straight up ban.
Slay them next round
or
Let them live the next round to see if they KEEP RDMing, and then ban them after for mass/continuous RDM?
I was going to mention on this. Their is a difference between having 4 years of experience then having only 1 month. It is also common courtesy that if you burn something then you should more then likely remake it in MC Donald's. Also if you make a person's food burnt and then you server it and they get hurt because of such mistake then you will more then likely cause the business to get sued. 4 years is a huge difference then 1 month. In 4 years time you should know how to make the food, you should know how not to server food that is not within standards. If you are in that lazy shape that you will knowingly give out the burger anyways then it is right for the Manager to fire you. We are trying to keep a high level of expectation with everyone. Hopefully not any Half***ed work. like you said earlier that no one needs to hold your hands, if you know you did it then you should know that it is going to have consequences.
I'm not asking to have my hand held. Let me try to make an analogy for what I mean. If you work at McDonalds and you burn a burger, the manager isn't going to hold your hand and teach you how to cook one properly. He's not going to immediately fire you, either. He's going to tell you not to burn the burgers again. That's what I'm trying to say. I've burned a few burgers, and everyone ate them without complaining. I thought the burgers were cooked just fine, but the whole time they've been crispy, and no one told me. Instead, what the manager did was take a picture of every burger that I've burned, and then at the end of the month, showed them all to me and fired me. It would have been a lot easier if he just told me I was doing wrong the first time, and then it would have all been fixed.
I was going to mention on this. Their is a difference between having 4 years of experience then having only 1 month. It is also common courtesy that if you burn something then you should more then likely remake it in MC Donald's. Also if you make a person's food burnt and then you server it and they get hurt because of such mistake then you will more then likely cause the business to get sued. 4 years is a huge difference then 1 month. In 4 years time you should know how to make the food, you should know how not to server food that is not within standards. If you are in that lazy shape that you will knowingly give out the burger anyways then it is right for the Manager to fire you. We are trying to keep a high level of expectation with everyone. Hopefully not any Half***ed work. like you said earlier that no one needs to hold your hands, if you know you did it then you should know that it is going to have consequences.
The Moral of the Burger story is *Don't Add Seasonings* it might cause problems. A ton of different factors come into play. Maybe one day when serving you end up causing a person to have an allergic reaction because of a seasoning that was added. Something that was made to be what it was suppose to be but then altered without anyone knowing. This can cause problems then end up in the predicament that you are currently in. Also it would be funny to see 6 months worth of burgers getting dumped on someone.I was going to mention on this. Their is a difference between having 4 years of experience then having only 1 month. It is also common courtesy that if you burn something then you should more then likely remake it in MC Donald's. Also if you make a person's food burnt and then you server it and they get hurt because of such mistake then you will more then likely cause the business to get sued. 4 years is a huge difference then 1 month. In 4 years time you should know how to make the food, you should know how not to server food that is not within standards. If you are in that lazy shape that you will knowingly give out the burger anyways then it is right for the Manager to fire you. We are trying to keep a high level of expectation with everyone. Hopefully not any Half***ed work. like you said earlier that no one needs to hold your hands, if you know you did it then you should know that it is going to have consequences.
The thing is, I do know the rules. That's not the problem here. I never broke any rules on purpose. Most of the things I did are in the "gray zone" ie. not really breaking rules but people might not like it, etc. And no one ever told me that I had complaints against me. Uh.. In analogy form: I do know how to make the burger, in this case. But I added on seasonings that some people liked -- and others didn't like. And the people that didn't like the seasonings never told me. Instead of telling me they don't like seasoning on their burgers, they stockpiled them for months and then dumped them on my head out of nowhere..
As it has already been said: MOST of this evidence is about 6 months old. I didn't break any major rules. They were minor offenses that have been tallied up that I didn't know about, or everyone seemed okay with it at the time, so I wasn't putting too much thought into it. But now that it has /finally/ been brought to my attention, I can change what I did wrong and apologize for the wrongs I've done to those people.
Even barring the evidence collected in such a manner, there is still the matter of the ban for RDM and leave, and the hour ban Billy received.
Just sayin'.
I don't remember many admins being banned without consequences to their admin status, whether it be suspension or whatever the HA deems fit.
Not trying to start an argument, just reminding that there is more to this than the undercover stuff.